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		<title>By: The Envoy</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/06/08/like-it-or-not-english-is-the-lingua-franca-of-our-time/#comment-555318</link>
		<dc:creator>The Envoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Suanie</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/06/08/like-it-or-not-english-is-the-lingua-franca-of-our-time/#comment-555311</link>
		<dc:creator>Suanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mell: hahah i just told ryan the story of The Magic Faraway Tree. Now i have to buy the book to read him the rest of it. my mom was like, NO ENID BLYTON.. then ryan mimicked her, YAH I DONWAN ENID BLYTON... i asked my mom why? KIDS THESE DAYS WHERE GOT READ ENID BLYTON?? OUT OF DATE.. THEY READ HARRY POTTER.. me: WTF NO ENID BLYTON IS FOREVER! then i told him the stories... of the &#039;people&#039; you meet when you climb up the tree. he&#039;s hooked bwahhahaha

whimsicaljottings: haha but they speak in romantic italian! who cares what they say if they are whispering it into your ears.. eh? ehh??? :P miss ng hated me :(

colin: imo singapore&#039;s BM as the official language is a farce. sure they go all out to learn english and mandarin, but most of them can&#039;t sing their national anthem to save their lives. or understand what it means, even. a bit like a running joke. so why have it there for internal mockery purposes? of course i&#039;m talking about the chinese singaporeans, then again they are the majority in the country. then they should take away BM and install english as the first and official language to reflect the language&#039;s true standing in the country. 

moo_t: true. it&#039;s not just what they have to teach, it&#039;s how they have to teach it. 

suertes: oh definitely... they had serious english lessons back then! then the authorities made exams compulsary to &#039;pass&#039; and not how they get to &#039;pass&#039; it. honestly speaking, still writing &#039;my life as a pen&#039; when you are 16 is a bit stupid 

vincent: don&#039;t look at me, i agree with you

horng: oh yeah. read my earlier reply to suertes :P

The Envoy: true. since i submitted this blog post to the MoE and they replied back with a reference number, they will be able to read your comment :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mell: hahah i just told ryan the story of The Magic Faraway Tree. Now i have to buy the book to read him the rest of it. my mom was like, NO ENID BLYTON.. then ryan mimicked her, YAH I DONWAN ENID BLYTON&#8230; i asked my mom why? KIDS THESE DAYS WHERE GOT READ ENID BLYTON?? OUT OF DATE.. THEY READ HARRY POTTER.. me: WTF NO ENID BLYTON IS FOREVER! then i told him the stories&#8230; of the &#8216;people&#8217; you meet when you climb up the tree. he&#8217;s hooked bwahhahaha</p>
<p>whimsicaljottings: haha but they speak in romantic italian! who cares what they say if they are whispering it into your ears.. eh? ehh??? <img src='http://www.suanie.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  miss ng hated me <img src='http://www.suanie.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>colin: imo singapore&#8217;s BM as the official language is a farce. sure they go all out to learn english and mandarin, but most of them can&#8217;t sing their national anthem to save their lives. or understand what it means, even. a bit like a running joke. so why have it there for internal mockery purposes? of course i&#8217;m talking about the chinese singaporeans, then again they are the majority in the country. then they should take away BM and install english as the first and official language to reflect the language&#8217;s true standing in the country. </p>
<p>moo_t: true. it&#8217;s not just what they have to teach, it&#8217;s how they have to teach it. </p>
<p>suertes: oh definitely&#8230; they had serious english lessons back then! then the authorities made exams compulsary to &#8216;pass&#8217; and not how they get to &#8216;pass&#8217; it. honestly speaking, still writing &#8216;my life as a pen&#8217; when you are 16 is a bit stupid </p>
<p>vincent: don&#8217;t look at me, i agree with you</p>
<p>horng: oh yeah. read my earlier reply to suertes <img src='http://www.suanie.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The Envoy: true. since i submitted this blog post to the MoE and they replied back with a reference number, they will be able to read your comment <img src='http://www.suanie.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Envoy</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/06/08/like-it-or-not-english-is-the-lingua-franca-of-our-time/#comment-555291</link>
		<dc:creator>The Envoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For practical reasons, spoken and written communication in English is a must for dealings with most of the world.

Paper qualifications merely come second to this. Although many institutions (corporate and otherwise) do, indeed, require English academic qualifications, in the actual day-to-day business, a language certificate means nothing much. If you speak good English during the interview, chances are that some companies might not even inquire after a certificate.

Conversely, if you&#039;re operating your own business, small time (online shop for example), or something bigger (like a store chain): such certificates mean nothing. Only your own skill in the language matters.

All in all, I would conclude that proficiency in the major languages English (foremost), Spanish, Russian, Arabic, Chinese or French is crucial to working alongside with others around you, depending on which part of the world you are in. However, learning more languages would only serve to help better your relations with others and add to your knowledge.

There! That&#039;s my two pence on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For practical reasons, spoken and written communication in English is a must for dealings with most of the world.</p>
<p>Paper qualifications merely come second to this. Although many institutions (corporate and otherwise) do, indeed, require English academic qualifications, in the actual day-to-day business, a language certificate means nothing much. If you speak good English during the interview, chances are that some companies might not even inquire after a certificate.</p>
<p>Conversely, if you&#8217;re operating your own business, small time (online shop for example), or something bigger (like a store chain): such certificates mean nothing. Only your own skill in the language matters.</p>
<p>All in all, I would conclude that proficiency in the major languages English (foremost), Spanish, Russian, Arabic, Chinese or French is crucial to working alongside with others around you, depending on which part of the world you are in. However, learning more languages would only serve to help better your relations with others and add to your knowledge.</p>
<p>There! That&#8217;s my two pence on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Myhorng</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/06/08/like-it-or-not-english-is-the-lingua-franca-of-our-time/#comment-555263</link>
		<dc:creator>Myhorng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is the point when u imply exam just to make the student pass and not to equip them with the tools that will help them with their future living? 

scare to have low pass rate is really intolerable lor. it just like covering up your own mess with a piece of paper where all the dirt still there. shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is the point when u imply exam just to make the student pass and not to equip them with the tools that will help them with their future living? </p>
<p>scare to have low pass rate is really intolerable lor. it just like covering up your own mess with a piece of paper where all the dirt still there. shit.</p>
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		<title>By: vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/06/08/like-it-or-not-english-is-the-lingua-franca-of-our-time/#comment-555252</link>
		<dc:creator>vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t talk about English, because like you said, that would be preaching to the choir. Everybody who reads this english blog knows how important it is.

However, some of your readers are confused about BM. No matter what, it is the national language. It is the heritage of this country and we cannot chuck that aside as we learn English. 

To those who claim that BM has no use outside Malaysia and Indonesia - neither does German outside Germany, Greek outside Greece, Thai outside Thailand. And Latin!?! Where and who speaks Latin these days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t talk about English, because like you said, that would be preaching to the choir. Everybody who reads this english blog knows how important it is.</p>
<p>However, some of your readers are confused about BM. No matter what, it is the national language. It is the heritage of this country and we cannot chuck that aside as we learn English. </p>
<p>To those who claim that BM has no use outside Malaysia and Indonesia &#8211; neither does German outside Germany, Greek outside Greece, Thai outside Thailand. And Latin!?! Where and who speaks Latin these days?</p>
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		<title>By: Suertes</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/06/08/like-it-or-not-english-is-the-lingua-franca-of-our-time/#comment-555241</link>
		<dc:creator>Suertes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s another one of those &quot;mau tapi segan cakap&quot; things. See, politicians generally like to narrowcast their messages (different message in different language media), and this works wonderfully for as long as different &#039;communities&#039; read different language papers. From their point of view, the first thing that they would be forced to &#039;give up&#039; if people converge upon English throughout the country would be the wonderful ability to say different things to different people. Is it any wonder that the command of English in the general population has deteriorated so far in the last 40 years? I knew a Malay chap - veteran teacher and MoE official, he told me that he had Form III level education before going into teacher training college (which was usual back in the 50s and 60s). Yes, his English is better than yours and mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s another one of those &#8220;mau tapi segan cakap&#8221; things. See, politicians generally like to narrowcast their messages (different message in different language media), and this works wonderfully for as long as different &#8216;communities&#8217; read different language papers. From their point of view, the first thing that they would be forced to &#8216;give up&#8217; if people converge upon English throughout the country would be the wonderful ability to say different things to different people. Is it any wonder that the command of English in the general population has deteriorated so far in the last 40 years? I knew a Malay chap &#8211; veteran teacher and MoE official, he told me that he had Form III level education before going into teacher training college (which was usual back in the 50s and 60s). Yes, his English is better than yours and mine.</p>
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		<title>By: moo_t</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/06/08/like-it-or-not-english-is-the-lingua-franca-of-our-time/#comment-555238</link>
		<dc:creator>moo_t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the globalisation era, people should be free to choose 2nd and 3rd language they like, to open themselves to various opportunities.  For example,  there is limited English country University seat (since lots of people choose English as the shortcut) . If one choose to learn Finnish, Swedish,German, there is more option for them than limited themselves to English.

Language suppose to be another windows to open our view.  However, country like Malaysia, Singapore,  English are merely a tools to riches, most people just use it, ignore its substances. English can&#039;t make people smarter or creative, it is way of thinking that matters.  

But, THINKING MIND ARE DANGEROUS to 3rd world ruling government.  That&#039;s why our country teaching method EXACTLY the same as what British colonial system 50 years ago. 

It is a common trend : young open minded middle class won&#039;t vote stale-stinky government that held obsoleted ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the globalisation era, people should be free to choose 2nd and 3rd language they like, to open themselves to various opportunities.  For example,  there is limited English country University seat (since lots of people choose English as the shortcut) . If one choose to learn Finnish, Swedish,German, there is more option for them than limited themselves to English.</p>
<p>Language suppose to be another windows to open our view.  However, country like Malaysia, Singapore,  English are merely a tools to riches, most people just use it, ignore its substances. English can&#8217;t make people smarter or creative, it is way of thinking that matters.  </p>
<p>But, THINKING MIND ARE DANGEROUS to 3rd world ruling government.  That&#8217;s why our country teaching method EXACTLY the same as what British colonial system 50 years ago. </p>
<p>It is a common trend : young open minded middle class won&#8217;t vote stale-stinky government that held obsoleted ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/06/08/like-it-or-not-english-is-the-lingua-franca-of-our-time/#comment-555237</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@suanie: Its never a separate issue. Its just pandering to different audiences.

Why not teach BM for Literature and BM? I agree, in countries like Germany, Korea, Japan, China, their respective languages do help them unite, but the emphasis alone isn&#039;t that. There&#039;s also a role that needs to be played by cultural studies, and parents help here, too. Look at India - Hindi/English is widely spoken, but mother tongues/dialects still stay alive (no thanks to the school system). Look how competitive they are...

Singapore in my opinion is a good example to follow. Official languge: BM. Language used mostly: English (and Mandarin). Method of teaching? English. OK, you can laugh and say Singlish and all, but at least when they go elsewhere, or they are dealing with foreign counterparts, they can converse. No statements like &quot;we have erection every 5 years&quot;, and all.

Rote learning, I&#039;ve heard is a problem in the Malaysian school system. As I was not a product of it, it would be unfair for me to comment, but I&#039;ve heard the horror stories. And no, I never sat through moral studies - again, a by product of me not being part of the Malaysian school system. So my views are a bit skewed, having being schooled in Malaysia, but not with the usual system most people go through...

Learning languages is important. Learning culture is also important. But to some extent, culture needs to be cultivated at homes, not just schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@suanie: Its never a separate issue. Its just pandering to different audiences.</p>
<p>Why not teach BM for Literature and BM? I agree, in countries like Germany, Korea, Japan, China, their respective languages do help them unite, but the emphasis alone isn&#8217;t that. There&#8217;s also a role that needs to be played by cultural studies, and parents help here, too. Look at India &#8211; Hindi/English is widely spoken, but mother tongues/dialects still stay alive (no thanks to the school system). Look how competitive they are&#8230;</p>
<p>Singapore in my opinion is a good example to follow. Official languge: BM. Language used mostly: English (and Mandarin). Method of teaching? English. OK, you can laugh and say Singlish and all, but at least when they go elsewhere, or they are dealing with foreign counterparts, they can converse. No statements like &#8220;we have erection every 5 years&#8221;, and all.</p>
<p>Rote learning, I&#8217;ve heard is a problem in the Malaysian school system. As I was not a product of it, it would be unfair for me to comment, but I&#8217;ve heard the horror stories. And no, I never sat through moral studies &#8211; again, a by product of me not being part of the Malaysian school system. So my views are a bit skewed, having being schooled in Malaysia, but not with the usual system most people go through&#8230;</p>
<p>Learning languages is important. Learning culture is also important. But to some extent, culture needs to be cultivated at homes, not just schools.</p>
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		<title>By: whimsicaljottings</title>
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		<dc:creator>whimsicaljottings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach English to Italian kids, and if you think the M&#039;sian system is bad, you should see the kids here. Heck, 80% of the adults here can&#039;t speak English to save their lives. 

It is not just the underdeveloped countries facing this problem. A LOT more needs to be tweaked in our Msian education system. If I didnt speak English at home or loved Enid Blyton to bits, I wonder where I&#039;d stand where English is concerned. Remember Miss Ng who used to G R I L L us with her super long list of English homework every single day? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach English to Italian kids, and if you think the M&#8217;sian system is bad, you should see the kids here. Heck, 80% of the adults here can&#8217;t speak English to save their lives. </p>
<p>It is not just the underdeveloped countries facing this problem. A LOT more needs to be tweaked in our Msian education system. If I didnt speak English at home or loved Enid Blyton to bits, I wonder where I&#8217;d stand where English is concerned. Remember Miss Ng who used to G R I L L us with her super long list of English homework every single day? <img src='http://www.suanie.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mellissa</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/06/08/like-it-or-not-english-is-the-lingua-franca-of-our-time/#comment-555235</link>
		<dc:creator>Mellissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG ENID BLYTON FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!! The Magic Faraway Tree ... now I need to go find my books and read them all over again!

You know my sister is learning Modern Maths, Add Maths, Biology, Chemistry and Physics in English and I don&#039;t understand a majority of it, so embarrassing. I have to keep asking her &quot;Er, how do you say this in Malay?&quot; &gt;_&lt;

Need better teachers in school, the old generation of teachers have all retired and the new generation can&#039;t even speak proper English to begin with, how to teach it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG ENID BLYTON FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!! The Magic Faraway Tree &#8230; now I need to go find my books and read them all over again!</p>
<p>You know my sister is learning Modern Maths, Add Maths, Biology, Chemistry and Physics in English and I don&#8217;t understand a majority of it, so embarrassing. I have to keep asking her &#8220;Er, how do you say this in Malay?&#8221; &gt;_&lt;</p>
<p>Need better teachers in school, the old generation of teachers have all retired and the new generation can&#8217;t even speak proper English to begin with, how to teach it.</p>
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