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		<title>By: The Envoy</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/04/29/traces-of-races/#comment-555384</link>
		<dc:creator>The Envoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pleasantly surprised by the fact that there are no race flame comments on this post. 

My opinion is that race is moot anyways, we are all Africans anyway:
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html

Culture and language on the other hand, will be influenced by the environment you grew up in, but it can also be adopted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pleasantly surprised by the fact that there are no race flame comments on this post. </p>
<p>My opinion is that race is moot anyways, we are all Africans anyway:<br />
<a href="http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html</a></p>
<p>Culture and language on the other hand, will be influenced by the environment you grew up in, but it can also be adopted.</p>
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		<title>By: julian</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/04/29/traces-of-races/#comment-554907</link>
		<dc:creator>julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 01:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You explain well why you chose the particular people you did - they were relevant to the talk, and you knew them well enough to ask for their help. From what I can see so far, most of the English language bloggers are Chinese also.

But I agree with Vincent that it if you wanted to talk more deeply about the blogosphere, having Malays and others represented would be good; in fact that&#039;s one drawback to my own research, because I don&#039;t speak BM I can&#039;t track most of the Malay bloggers - so basically I can&#039;t really make conclusions about the &#039;Malaysian blogosphere&#039; really. Often when I talk to people (typically English-speaking Chinese - which reflects my social circle also), they say &#039;Oh there aren&#039;t many Malay blogs anyway&#039;, but if I ask them for more details, or if they know of some significant Malay bloggers, it transpires that they don&#039;t know - they&#039;re just assuming so because they don&#039;t come across them. People like sultanmuzaffar and redmummy have quite big audiences.

Also, just in terms of giving talks and so on - I guess if there were the different ethnicities represented amongst the speakers, it could make some people feel more at ease. Which isn&#039;t a bad thing if one were to do such talks regularly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You explain well why you chose the particular people you did &#8211; they were relevant to the talk, and you knew them well enough to ask for their help. From what I can see so far, most of the English language bloggers are Chinese also.</p>
<p>But I agree with Vincent that it if you wanted to talk more deeply about the blogosphere, having Malays and others represented would be good; in fact that&#8217;s one drawback to my own research, because I don&#8217;t speak BM I can&#8217;t track most of the Malay bloggers &#8211; so basically I can&#8217;t really make conclusions about the &#8216;Malaysian blogosphere&#8217; really. Often when I talk to people (typically English-speaking Chinese &#8211; which reflects my social circle also), they say &#8216;Oh there aren&#8217;t many Malay blogs anyway&#8217;, but if I ask them for more details, or if they know of some significant Malay bloggers, it transpires that they don&#8217;t know &#8211; they&#8217;re just assuming so because they don&#8217;t come across them. People like sultanmuzaffar and redmummy have quite big audiences.</p>
<p>Also, just in terms of giving talks and so on &#8211; I guess if there were the different ethnicities represented amongst the speakers, it could make some people feel more at ease. Which isn&#8217;t a bad thing if one were to do such talks regularly.</p>
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		<title>By: vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/04/29/traces-of-races/#comment-554905</link>
		<dc:creator>vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 08:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your workshop was talking about Racial Tolerance or some crap like that, then the bloke would have a point. However, a beginner&#039;s blogging workshop has no play on different races.

That said, the point can be valid if it was a slightly more advanced workshop. There are topics which appeal to the different market segments (age, race, economic status). For instance, you should be familiar with Sultan Muzaffar, yes? How many Chinese would give a hoot about his Akademi Fantasia postings? But those topics appeal the the younger Malays (and dare I say, the more kampung folks) and is extremely relevant if you are conducting a workshop on Blogging For Money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your workshop was talking about Racial Tolerance or some crap like that, then the bloke would have a point. However, a beginner&#8217;s blogging workshop has no play on different races.</p>
<p>That said, the point can be valid if it was a slightly more advanced workshop. There are topics which appeal to the different market segments (age, race, economic status). For instance, you should be familiar with Sultan Muzaffar, yes? How many Chinese would give a hoot about his Akademi Fantasia postings? But those topics appeal the the younger Malays (and dare I say, the more kampung folks) and is extremely relevant if you are conducting a workshop on Blogging For Money.</p>
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		<title>By: Azmeen</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/04/29/traces-of-races/#comment-554892</link>
		<dc:creator>Azmeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incredible.

It&#039;s a workshop conducted in English by an English language daily; so as long as the speakers and participants understand each other does it really matter that none of them are Malays/Indians/green skinned aliens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredible.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a workshop conducted in English by an English language daily; so as long as the speakers and participants understand each other does it really matter that none of them are Malays/Indians/green skinned aliens?</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/04/29/traces-of-races/#comment-554891</link>
		<dc:creator>Marvin Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would the same question be raised if an American were to conduct the workshop?
Maybe the question then would be why is it not a Malaysian speaker? 

I guess the political scene in the country must have affected the minds of our fellow Malaysian brothers and sisters.

Your explanation or clarification shows that you have made a just decision based on your powers and personal relationship. I believe the question would make sense if it was directed to NST and not to you personally.

If NST was in charged of getting speakers, they could get representative from all walks of life, even senior citizen, disabled bloggers, as mentioned by Jeff. Since it&#039;s you and you have the whole workshop sorted out with topics beforehand, it doesn&#039;t really matter who the speakers are.

Who cares if a 9 year old speaks about blogging if the child know what he/she is doing?
It&#039;s the content and not the speaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would the same question be raised if an American were to conduct the workshop?<br />
Maybe the question then would be why is it not a Malaysian speaker? </p>
<p>I guess the political scene in the country must have affected the minds of our fellow Malaysian brothers and sisters.</p>
<p>Your explanation or clarification shows that you have made a just decision based on your powers and personal relationship. I believe the question would make sense if it was directed to NST and not to you personally.</p>
<p>If NST was in charged of getting speakers, they could get representative from all walks of life, even senior citizen, disabled bloggers, as mentioned by Jeff. Since it&#8217;s you and you have the whole workshop sorted out with topics beforehand, it doesn&#8217;t really matter who the speakers are.</p>
<p>Who cares if a 9 year old speaks about blogging if the child know what he/she is doing?<br />
It&#8217;s the content and not the speaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Suertes</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/04/29/traces-of-races/#comment-554890</link>
		<dc:creator>Suertes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Horng&#039;s absolutely right. You&#039;re the boss, so you call the shots. Your panel was arrived at based upon a combination of your experience, your audit of the speaking done by those people previously and your networking. You basically brought these people together professionally and that&#039;s what this workshop was all about - professional.

That said, you do have an obligation to consider all feedback, professionally speaking. Then you have to give any important feedback due consideration (I&#039;ll assume this one&#039;s important since you&#039;re blogging about it ;-) even just for 2 seconds. And then, once you&#039;re done, you have every right to say &quot;Nah..&quot;

Now, why someone might give that kind of feedback deserves an entire PhD thesis to consider.. heh heh..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Horng&#8217;s absolutely right. You&#8217;re the boss, so you call the shots. Your panel was arrived at based upon a combination of your experience, your audit of the speaking done by those people previously and your networking. You basically brought these people together professionally and that&#8217;s what this workshop was all about &#8211; professional.</p>
<p>That said, you do have an obligation to consider all feedback, professionally speaking. Then you have to give any important feedback due consideration (I&#8217;ll assume this one&#8217;s important since you&#8217;re blogging about it <img src='http://www.suanie.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  even just for 2 seconds. And then, once you&#8217;re done, you have every right to say &#8220;Nah..&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, why someone might give that kind of feedback deserves an entire PhD thesis to consider.. heh heh..</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/04/29/traces-of-races/#comment-554889</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, maybe there is a point of having a respresentative from all walks of life... the same could be said Where are the senior citizen bloggers? and Where are the disabled bloggers? 

Well anyone these days can have a blog.. Blogspot, wordpress.. very easy. So technically speaking no-one is being held back from creating a blog. Yet, I thought ethnic Malay people comprise 50% of the population in Malaysia, so in theory they should be 50% of all bloggers in Malaysia..is that right?
Perhaps a successful Malay blogger could give advise to up and coming Malay bloggers ..but what about? Only a Malay person would understand,, maybe there are some topics you just don&#039;t touch for example. And things Malay people should be telling the world.( the internet is a global thing you know)Perhaps a Malay blogger should be inspiring other Malay people to get a blog.
I guess we would all love to live in a ideal world of equality, but in reality it doesn&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, maybe there is a point of having a respresentative from all walks of life&#8230; the same could be said Where are the senior citizen bloggers? and Where are the disabled bloggers? </p>
<p>Well anyone these days can have a blog.. Blogspot, wordpress.. very easy. So technically speaking no-one is being held back from creating a blog. Yet, I thought ethnic Malay people comprise 50% of the population in Malaysia, so in theory they should be 50% of all bloggers in Malaysia..is that right?<br />
Perhaps a successful Malay blogger could give advise to up and coming Malay bloggers ..but what about? Only a Malay person would understand,, maybe there are some topics you just don&#8217;t touch for example. And things Malay people should be telling the world.( the internet is a global thing you know)Perhaps a Malay blogger should be inspiring other Malay people to get a blog.<br />
I guess we would all love to live in a ideal world of equality, but in reality it doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: moo_t</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/04/29/traces-of-races/#comment-554888</link>
		<dc:creator>moo_t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends how you view it. IMHO, this is not race issue in blogging, but about digital divide. In fact, blogging in Malaysia is still limited to certain class of people.  

A cab driver in New York may blog, but it won&#039;t happen for any taxi driver in Malaysia soon.  So for a Malaysia hawker that earn more than you, he is not likely to blog in near future, because some of them still think internet and computer is something out of their reach(not about the money, but the knowledge). 

Let&#039;s not forget the Babel tower. Even one who well verse in many language, they will choose the language that they feel comfortable to practice their blog. So those who blog in English, find it tedious to translate and rewrite in Malay, mandarin, Tamil,  etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends how you view it. IMHO, this is not race issue in blogging, but about digital divide. In fact, blogging in Malaysia is still limited to certain class of people.  </p>
<p>A cab driver in New York may blog, but it won&#8217;t happen for any taxi driver in Malaysia soon.  So for a Malaysia hawker that earn more than you, he is not likely to blog in near future, because some of them still think internet and computer is something out of their reach(not about the money, but the knowledge). </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget the Babel tower. Even one who well verse in many language, they will choose the language that they feel comfortable to practice their blog. So those who blog in English, find it tedious to translate and rewrite in Malay, mandarin, Tamil,  etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Myhorng</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/04/29/traces-of-races/#comment-554887</link>
		<dc:creator>Myhorng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just do what u think is right and that&#039;s it. where is the i dun care thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just do what u think is right and that&#8217;s it. where is the i dun care thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2009/04/29/traces-of-races/#comment-554886</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I am disappointed that this was even brought up, as a topic. What happened to the whole idea of &quot;Bangsa Malaysia&quot; ?

I think it should be made clear, that on the Internet, you could be a dog, and no one should/would care. Race, is something that *no one* on the Internet generally cares about (and I can speak on this with some authority, having been in the Malaysian Internet scene, from the time when we were on dialup, and jaring.* newsgroups were the way we spoke to each other).

Chinese, Indian, Malay, who cares? The law, advertising, advocacy, and those raising awareness aren&#039;t race bound.

Be happy, that everyone participating in this workshop, all the facilitators, were *Malaysian*. Don&#039;t introspect, as to what &quot;race&quot; they were.

(fast forward a century from this post, and with all the mixed-marriages, and so on, there will be truly, a &quot;Bangsa Malaysia&quot;, and we&#039;ll all be laughing at the commenter... Oops, here&#039;s hoping I&#039;d be around 100 years from now :P)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I am disappointed that this was even brought up, as a topic. What happened to the whole idea of &#8220;Bangsa Malaysia&#8221; ?</p>
<p>I think it should be made clear, that on the Internet, you could be a dog, and no one should/would care. Race, is something that *no one* on the Internet generally cares about (and I can speak on this with some authority, having been in the Malaysian Internet scene, from the time when we were on dialup, and jaring.* newsgroups were the way we spoke to each other).</p>
<p>Chinese, Indian, Malay, who cares? The law, advertising, advocacy, and those raising awareness aren&#8217;t race bound.</p>
<p>Be happy, that everyone participating in this workshop, all the facilitators, were *Malaysian*. Don&#8217;t introspect, as to what &#8220;race&#8221; they were.</p>
<p>(fast forward a century from this post, and with all the mixed-marriages, and so on, there will be truly, a &#8220;Bangsa Malaysia&#8221;, and we&#8217;ll all be laughing at the commenter&#8230; Oops, here&#8217;s hoping I&#8217;d be around 100 years from now <img src='http://www.suanie.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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