sf: love conquers all, nvr heard b4 meh?

jibone: 1) not necessarily elsewhere; 2) err i think it’s the same? no?

moo_t: but so easy to manipulate!

fa: show cause that one is a christian lah

stupe: a bit like ‘my big fat greek wedding’

dabs: you speak of LOGIC??? doesn’t apply to religious sentiments

tmithomas: i remember the christian/ jew/ muslim one, vaguely. you speak of logic and common sense, but like dabs, it does not apply when it comes to religion. as you said, religion is personal.. everybody’s version of personal is different lor . thanks for the kind words yes i do miss viewtru and i hope he gets his arse on blogging again soon

jeff: hey, more cynical than me!

shan: i thought i knew that, haha but wasn’t sure

ahseng: you say only lah hah

i would like to share some comments with you guys, as i studied in sekolah kebangsaan and being the only chinese in the classroom, i sit through most of the ugama classes. my understanding of Islam though superficial is enough to know that there is difference between the Islam then and now. just to be on the clear, i am not muslim :d

firstly, Islam does not allow it’s follower to convert out, if i don’t remember wrongly. it is called murtad (or something like that) and is punishable by stoning to death.

secondly, Islam have the same roots as Christian and Jew, i remember “my” ustaz says that Christian and Jew can marry Muslims without leaving their religion as technically, it is from the same God. some how, along the way, some fact got left out or distorted intentionally.

thirdly, in Islam, a wife can not divorce her husband and she can not claimed to be divorced if the husband did not officially says so in front of certain witnesses. if any woman decided to marry a muslim and should the guy decided to abandon her, she can not get nullification. it is called “gantung tak bertali”. decide wisely if this are the path decided upon.

also, i feel that those people who have converted to Islam but decided they do not want to be Islam, what’s the big hoo haa about converting out of Islam again? It is between you and your God. If in name you are Islam but in practice, you are not, would it make any difference? After you have renounced Islam, what is the difference? i have friends who “converted” to Islam for marriage but on occasion, still pray as a Buddhist?

so, there are always two side to a coin. but don’t because of your own personal foolishness, you caused the country to go into chaos. i don’t agree to body snatching by the authorities last time but nor do i agree to public renouncement of conversion out of Islam.

let the person face his own Maker at his own term. the body matters not, it is the soul in the end (for those who believed anyway) that will be answerable.

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on another note, suanie, you rock. i like your style of funny writing. i got here through viewtru blog, i don’t click on his link normally but it’s been half year almost, sigh. don’t you guys miss his witty and mou lei tao blog?

It is not just law, it is family culture/law.

Even if Malaysia stops forcing conversion by law, the family of the Muslim side would never accept anyone who isn’t a Muslim. You have quite a few hurdles to go through.

In Singapore, it’s the same thing. A non-muslim cannot get away with trying to marry a Muslim Singaporean without conversion, not without objection from the family side or the Muslim affairs department in Singapore.

Not many people know about this thing in Singapore. It’s not as strict but it seems you still have to convert if you want to marry a Muslim Singaporean, because it’s still a sensitive issue that the PAP has to give in or else the Singaporean Muslims are going to make a big issue out of this.

The price you pay for conversion is usually getting shunned by family and friends, can’t help it. Unless most of your social circles are Muslim friends, very hard to avoid the ostracization. A typical Chinese family can accept Muslim friends, neighbours, but very little tolerance for their own kin embracing Islam itself. Even my DAD vows to disown us if any of his children ever embraces Islam. Same thing with my mother.

The best arrangement would be for a couple to keep their own respective religion, and for the children, usually best for them to choose themselves but most will follow the father side. Any father would probably force it on their children but the price would be revolt, like yours truly, who rejected Christ vehemently.

All religions suck, period.

Stupe - Is same in Indonesia as one of my friends had to convert to Islam to marry his love.

pardon my shallowness, but once, in one of the astro show, it did show a muslim girl marrying a jewish man. THey even have two separate wedding reception to celebrate both the religion differences AND YET, they could live as man and woman.

I’m not entirely sure how come that episode managed to squeeze through the censorship though.

If i’m not mistaken, it was that series “my dream wedding” or something like that.

It’s the law.