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		<title>By: JusticeForMeganMeier</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2007/11/23/of-megan-meier/#comment-518177</link>
		<dc:creator>JusticeForMeganMeier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just checking to see if there were any new (legal) developments in this case, and came across this blog. I found out something so hideous that I actually cried all over again. I did not know that there were also kids Megans age (that knew her) that were asked to be part of this stalking. 

I almost threw up.

They are guilty as hell. Not only should Mrs. Drew beg for forgiveness,  but every single other person that knew of this harrassment and did nothing to help the victim. Including children. No matter what their age. No excuses. Everyone has been a teen and knows how fragile a time it is. All of those people should be considered a serious danger to society due to their completely sociopathic, ruthless, malicious behavior. Mrs Drew should have her child taken away from her. She is obviously unstable. If Mr Drew was involved he should lose custody also and both of them need therapy. Her daughter should be tried as an adult as well as every single other child that was asked to participate. They do not deserve to live at all. The least they should get is jail time. Thank God one person had the guts to tell the Meiers what happened. 
My heart goes out to the Meier family. Nothing anyone says and no amount of anger or outrage will bring her back. 

 The world would be a much better place with Megan here instead of her tormentors 

                Oops, I meant to say MURDERERS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just checking to see if there were any new (legal) developments in this case, and came across this blog. I found out something so hideous that I actually cried all over again. I did not know that there were also kids Megans age (that knew her) that were asked to be part of this stalking. </p>
<p>I almost threw up.</p>
<p>They are guilty as hell. Not only should Mrs. Drew beg for forgiveness,  but every single other person that knew of this harrassment and did nothing to help the victim. Including children. No matter what their age. No excuses. Everyone has been a teen and knows how fragile a time it is. All of those people should be considered a serious danger to society due to their completely sociopathic, ruthless, malicious behavior. Mrs Drew should have her child taken away from her. She is obviously unstable. If Mr Drew was involved he should lose custody also and both of them need therapy. Her daughter should be tried as an adult as well as every single other child that was asked to participate. They do not deserve to live at all. The least they should get is jail time. Thank God one person had the guts to tell the Meiers what happened.<br />
My heart goes out to the Meier family. Nothing anyone says and no amount of anger or outrage will bring her back. </p>
<p> The world would be a much better place with Megan here instead of her tormentors </p>
<p>                Oops, I meant to say MURDERERS.</p>
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		<title>By: nyx</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2007/11/23/of-megan-meier/#comment-482762</link>
		<dc:creator>nyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, suanie .. it does take two to tango ... but people who live in glass houses shouldn't be the first to throw stones. Especially when the stone-throwing was totally unprovoked. I don't expect you to take sides but I hope you do understand that ugly though it was, I was under the impression that her bullying needs to be stopped by the only language she would understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, suanie .. it does take two to tango &#8230; but people who live in glass houses shouldn&#8217;t be the first to throw stones. Especially when the stone-throwing was totally unprovoked. I don&#8217;t expect you to take sides but I hope you do understand that ugly though it was, I was under the impression that her bullying needs to be stopped by the only language she would understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2007/11/23/of-megan-meier/#comment-482586</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though the Megan Meier case if sad, I do not understand why she was not monitor with her internet usage?  We have a rating system for movies like R, which is to restrict anyone 17 or younger from going to see the movie unless accompanied by an adult.  Maybe the internet should be used for anyone 18+ only.  Too many parents do not or can not realistically monitor their children's internet usage.  The internet has been used for people to express their anger anonymously or to express opinions that are controversy in nature.  And illegal or questionable activities.  With that being said is it a good idea to have anyone 17 and under to be on the internet?  As parents at the very least should have their computer set up with a profile that will only allow there to be limited programs, like an internet browser, available to a child 17 and under.  Schools should also limit their teachings on the internet and computers until the child is at least 16. Children have also used the internet to hack and send viruses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though the Megan Meier case if sad, I do not understand why she was not monitor with her internet usage?  We have a rating system for movies like R, which is to restrict anyone 17 or younger from going to see the movie unless accompanied by an adult.  Maybe the internet should be used for anyone 18+ only.  Too many parents do not or can not realistically monitor their children&#8217;s internet usage.  The internet has been used for people to express their anger anonymously or to express opinions that are controversy in nature.  And illegal or questionable activities.  With that being said is it a good idea to have anyone 17 and under to be on the internet?  As parents at the very least should have their computer set up with a profile that will only allow there to be limited programs, like an internet browser, available to a child 17 and under.  Schools should also limit their teachings on the internet and computers until the child is at least 16. Children have also used the internet to hack and send viruses.</p>
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		<title>By: Fighter2</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2007/11/23/of-megan-meier/#comment-474043</link>
		<dc:creator>Fighter2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media is trying to spin us into a "cyber mob"

CLICK THIS FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO US:
http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/2007/11/media-alert-fighter-to-be-interviewed.html

Justice for Megan! We won't give up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media is trying to spin us into a &#8220;cyber mob&#8221;</p>
<p>CLICK THIS FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO US:<br />
<a href="http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/2007/11/media-alert-fighter-to-be-interviewed.html" rel="nofollow">http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/2007/11/media-alert-fighter-to-be-interviewed.html</a></p>
<p>Justice for Megan! We won&#8217;t give up</p>
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		<title>By: Suanie</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2007/11/23/of-megan-meier/#comment-469822</link>
		<dc:creator>Suanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill: I think your excellent analysis of what is and what could happen just about sums it up :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill: I think your excellent analysis of what is and what could happen just about sums it up <img src='http://www.suanie.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2007/11/23/of-megan-meier/#comment-469273</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are two issues at hand here -- retribution and repentance.  Human beings from the time of Hammurabi and probably before have really been into retribution -- an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.  You could say the whole criminal justice system, despite its lip=service (in the US anyway) about being for "rehabilitation", is really all about making someone pay for something bad they had done.

The first problem with the Drews is that there was no retribution by the legal system, in fact, they are using the legal system to get retribution from the Meiers for destruction of their foosball table.  This is not setting well with the Internet community, not to mention the Drews' neighbors, who are attempting to get some retribution on their own.

In general this kind of vigilantism is not a good thing.  That's why we have a legal system -- to prevent the law of the mob.  Unfortunately, the law failed here, and will probably fail again in similar circumstances, no matter how many laws are passed to stop it.  You can't censor the Internet without getting everyone off of it, and that isn't going to happen.

The second problem with the Drews is a perceived lack of repentance.  Repentance is more than feeling bad about doing something wrong.  It is demonstrating a sincere belief that one has done something wrong, and a sincere effort to fix the damage caused by that wrong act (in so far as it can be fixed)  People like evildoers to repent as much as they like retribution.  Preferably, the evildoer should fall on his/her face, bitterly self-criticize her/his actions, and provide a meaningful plan for repairing the damage.  If he/she can do it on the Oprah Winfrey Show, so much the better.

All the statements of the Drews thus far published suggest (mainly consisting of police reports)they not only don't feel repentance, they don't even feel much remorse.  So the public sees someone who not only hasn't acknowledged she has committed a wrong act that had horrible (albeit unintended) results, but has even attempted to punish those people who have been severaly damaged by her actions.  This, if anything, sets even less well with the Internet community, not to mention the Drews' neighbors.

If the Drews really want some peace in their life, they're going to have to find a way to publicly atone for their behavior, preferably on the Oprah or Larry King shows.  I can't imagine what they could do in the way of atonement to satisfy the Meier family, but they could conceivably get the rest of the world off their case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are two issues at hand here &#8212; retribution and repentance.  Human beings from the time of Hammurabi and probably before have really been into retribution &#8212; an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.  You could say the whole criminal justice system, despite its lip=service (in the US anyway) about being for &#8220;rehabilitation&#8221;, is really all about making someone pay for something bad they had done.</p>
<p>The first problem with the Drews is that there was no retribution by the legal system, in fact, they are using the legal system to get retribution from the Meiers for destruction of their foosball table.  This is not setting well with the Internet community, not to mention the Drews&#8217; neighbors, who are attempting to get some retribution on their own.</p>
<p>In general this kind of vigilantism is not a good thing.  That&#8217;s why we have a legal system &#8212; to prevent the law of the mob.  Unfortunately, the law failed here, and will probably fail again in similar circumstances, no matter how many laws are passed to stop it.  You can&#8217;t censor the Internet without getting everyone off of it, and that isn&#8217;t going to happen.</p>
<p>The second problem with the Drews is a perceived lack of repentance.  Repentance is more than feeling bad about doing something wrong.  It is demonstrating a sincere belief that one has done something wrong, and a sincere effort to fix the damage caused by that wrong act (in so far as it can be fixed)  People like evildoers to repent as much as they like retribution.  Preferably, the evildoer should fall on his/her face, bitterly self-criticize her/his actions, and provide a meaningful plan for repairing the damage.  If he/she can do it on the Oprah Winfrey Show, so much the better.</p>
<p>All the statements of the Drews thus far published suggest (mainly consisting of police reports)they not only don&#8217;t feel repentance, they don&#8217;t even feel much remorse.  So the public sees someone who not only hasn&#8217;t acknowledged she has committed a wrong act that had horrible (albeit unintended) results, but has even attempted to punish those people who have been severaly damaged by her actions.  This, if anything, sets even less well with the Internet community, not to mention the Drews&#8217; neighbors.</p>
<p>If the Drews really want some peace in their life, they&#8217;re going to have to find a way to publicly atone for their behavior, preferably on the Oprah or Larry King shows.  I can&#8217;t imagine what they could do in the way of atonement to satisfy the Meier family, but they could conceivably get the rest of the world off their case.</p>
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		<title>By: Suanie</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2007/11/23/of-megan-meier/#comment-468103</link>
		<dc:creator>Suanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vincent: old skool: that is what i would have taken you to be ;) 

Bill: ah well. from another pov, if the community where she's living in now is so unforgiving, i think she may have to seriously considering moving elsewhere. this may or may not follow her family for life; even her daughter's name was leaked. i wonder what kind of future they would have. in that sense, i do feel a tad sorry for them, for their lack of judgment that would erupt into something as massive as this. is the mob going to follow her wherever she and her family go? put it this way: if this happened in my community and the Drews were in my neighbourhood, i would be damned hard pressed to offer them a kind word -- it would take a lot for me not to vilify them in any way i see fit; but when does second chance for them begins? 

davidlian: i seem to do that  a lot :X mis-send msn messages :X p/s timothy tiah sucks

dabs: 1) no, but like you said, people forget or do not realise. (2) well someone revealed sarah wells' personal information on the net... (3) when you put it that way, true that. (4) there was an article about trial by media recently; about meier, mccann, and kercher's case. will have to dig it up

nyx: well. of course one must never take their personal safety for granted. but sometimes, it truly does take two to tango. heh. argh blah bleh don't know what else to say lah :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vincent: old skool: that is what i would have taken you to be <img src='http://www.suanie.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Bill: ah well. from another pov, if the community where she&#8217;s living in now is so unforgiving, i think she may have to seriously considering moving elsewhere. this may or may not follow her family for life; even her daughter&#8217;s name was leaked. i wonder what kind of future they would have. in that sense, i do feel a tad sorry for them, for their lack of judgment that would erupt into something as massive as this. is the mob going to follow her wherever she and her family go? put it this way: if this happened in my community and the Drews were in my neighbourhood, i would be damned hard pressed to offer them a kind word &#8212; it would take a lot for me not to vilify them in any way i see fit; but when does second chance for them begins? </p>
<p>davidlian: i seem to do that  a lot :X mis-send msn messages :X p/s timothy tiah sucks</p>
<p>dabs: 1) no, but like you said, people forget or do not realise. (2) well someone revealed sarah wells&#8217; personal information on the net&#8230; (3) when you put it that way, true that. (4) there was an article about trial by media recently; about meier, mccann, and kercher&#8217;s case. will have to dig it up</p>
<p>nyx: well. of course one must never take their personal safety for granted. but sometimes, it truly does take two to tango. heh. argh blah bleh don&#8217;t know what else to say lah <img src='http://www.suanie.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: sccworlds</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2007/11/23/of-megan-meier/#comment-467567</link>
		<dc:creator>sccworlds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read a brief article and view the accompanying video to the candlelight vigil in held Megan's memory. Go to sccworlds.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read a brief article and view the accompanying video to the candlelight vigil in held Megan&#8217;s memory. Go to sccworlds.com</p>
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		<title>By: nyx</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2007/11/23/of-megan-meier/#comment-467344</link>
		<dc:creator>nyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.. oh.. and on the police reports, I always take a threat against my wellbeing seriously. Random anonymous dumbfuck threatened me, I reported to the police. Your friend threatened me, I reported to the police. 

With the kind of things you read that's going around these days, I never take things for granted. Scoff if you must. Tee hee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.. oh.. and on the police reports, I always take a threat against my wellbeing seriously. Random anonymous dumbfuck threatened me, I reported to the police. Your friend threatened me, I reported to the police. </p>
<p>With the kind of things you read that&#8217;s going around these days, I never take things for granted. Scoff if you must. Tee hee!</p>
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		<title>By: nyx</title>
		<link>http://www.suanie.net/2007/11/23/of-megan-meier/#comment-467309</link>
		<dc:creator>nyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Suan,

I know she's a friend of your and also a friend of my housemate. Of course, I don't expect you to take sides and of course, I AM trying to look at her as a human being with her own set of faults versus the monster she had protrayed herself to be from my perspective.

Don't mean to lash out at her, just that your post struck a cord in me and reminded me of a time when she initially was going around lashing out at  me .. remembered the immense hurt and depression that she caused me purely for fun and games.

Those kind of wounds run deep and more then anything, I know the kind of hell this kid went through.. so had to open my big mouth and comment ler ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Suan,</p>
<p>I know she&#8217;s a friend of your and also a friend of my housemate. Of course, I don&#8217;t expect you to take sides and of course, I AM trying to look at her as a human being with her own set of faults versus the monster she had protrayed herself to be from my perspective.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t mean to lash out at her, just that your post struck a cord in me and reminded me of a time when she initially was going around lashing out at  me .. remembered the immense hurt and depression that she caused me purely for fun and games.</p>
<p>Those kind of wounds run deep and more then anything, I know the kind of hell this kid went through.. so had to open my big mouth and comment ler &#8230;</p>
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