Comments on: zouk did it again http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/ Wasting your bandwidth since 1999 Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:44:59 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.1 hourly 1 By: Sara http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-352570 Sara Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:46:35 +0000 http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-352570 This have nothing to do with being 'street savvy' as you put it. Getting beaten up on the dancefloor of a club for apparently dancing too close to the VIP section in a club is not about not been street smart. Yeah, be 'street savvy' and don't walk down dark alleyways by yourself, be 'street savvy' and don't get into an unlicensed cab etc etc... I am English and lived in KL for 15 years and never have had a problem. I live in East London, which is quite rough at times -but this happening in Zouk, which is considered somewhat upmarket is disgusting!! This have nothing to do with being ’street savvy’ as you put it.

Getting beaten up on the dancefloor of a club for apparently dancing too close to the VIP section in a club is not about not been street smart.

Yeah, be ’street savvy’ and don’t walk down dark alleyways by yourself, be ’street savvy’ and don’t get into an unlicensed cab etc etc…

I am English and lived in KL for 15 years and never have had a problem. I live in East London, which is quite rough at times -but this happening in Zouk, which is considered somewhat upmarket is disgusting!!

]]> By: belle http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-313606 belle Sat, 01 Sep 2007 02:21:29 +0000 http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-313606 well, thanks to the article, now there's an awareness on the issue on safety when clubbing around kl. This are all useful info for all foreigners Before coming to M'sia. btw, davidlian: u're comparing M'sia AND Cambodia?? WTF??!! why don't we suggest implementing the Khmer Rouge Regime into our ruling system eh? that'll put us in a fair competition with Cambodia.. also... 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla (see zouk's (ZLK) statemt above for coherency & more BS)... Why would we want to jeopardize that situation by compromising this or any situation?' Dear Zouk, Why would you want to compromise ya? Hhmm, let's see, coz the whacko malay dude is a high paying client, have all the right connections & u can't/won't do anything abt it but write a measly Acknowledgment (not even an apology) statement to plaster a 'minor' wound to ur reputation? dear SOME malaysians, what if u're in australia, & u came to splash ur money, boost the economy, spread ur knowledge & resources to the ppl, in return, get whacked by some dickhead in a club, club & police close one eye to the incident and finally, compensate u with an 'open & frank' discussion. Don't know abt u, but i would go WTF? screw 'open & frank' discussion, i want Justice, i want the dickhead to be jailed, charged AND sued. well, thanks to the article, now there’s an awareness on the issue on safety when clubbing around kl. This are all useful info for all foreigners Before coming to M’sia.

btw, davidlian: u’re comparing M’sia AND Cambodia?? WTF??!!
why don’t we suggest implementing the Khmer Rouge Regime into our ruling system eh? that’ll put us in a fair competition with Cambodia..

also…
‘bla bla bla bla bla bla bla (see zouk’s (ZLK) statemt above for coherency & more BS)… Why would we want to jeopardize that situation by compromising this or any situation?’

Dear Zouk, Why would you want to compromise ya? Hhmm, let’s see, coz the whacko malay dude is a high paying client, have all the right connections & u can’t/won’t do anything abt it but write a measly Acknowledgment (not even an apology) statement to plaster a ‘minor’ wound to ur reputation?

dear SOME malaysians,
what if u’re in australia, & u came to splash ur money, boost the economy, spread ur knowledge & resources to the ppl, in return, get whacked by some dickhead in a club, club & police close one eye to the incident and finally, compensate u with an ‘open & frank’ discussion.
Don’t know abt u, but i would go WTF? screw ‘open & frank’ discussion, i want Justice, i want the dickhead to be jailed, charged AND sued.

]]> By: ZKL http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-310073 ZKL Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:12:35 +0000 http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-310073 Statement from Zouk Club Kuala Lumpur Monday 27th August 2007 The safety and welfare of our customers both female and male is of the utmost importance to us. On the 27th June at approximately 2.00 am on a very busy trading night, a scuffle broke out on the dancefloor of Zouk Kuala Lumpur between a group of female and male patrons. According to our internal investigation there was no further evidence of an alleged prolonged attack in the club and the parties involved were escorted out of the club where a further scuffle was seen to take place. Allegations that the Zouk Malaysia security team were seen to do nothing are hugely unfounded. We have clear CCTV footage of the security not only actively diffusing the fight but also being preventive at their own expense in allowing the situation to inflame any further. Zouk formally lodged a police report in accordance with procedure at the end of that trading session. Full cooperation has been given. We can also confirm that no CCTV footage of the incident has been withheld. We believe that this has showed our commitment to being transparent and eager to resolve the matter. Results from the police investigation are pending. Zouk Club KL acknowledges the incident taking place and takes this matter very seriously. We fervently believe the appropriate measures were taken with everyone's safety in mind. This is an isolated but unfortunate incident between two parties having a disagreement. It has no bearing on bias toward any sex, race or nationality as has been claimed. We would happily invite the women involved to an open and frank discussion with ourselves and the relevant authorities present with regards to the allegations that we were unfair or biased in our actions. We would also like to say that we have not had any formal complaints from the women involved nor their appropriate embassies regarding this situation. Again we would like to fully cooperate with any interested party in helping to fully resolve this matter. Zouk Club KL has enjoyed having huge success mainly due to loyal patronage from people from all walks of life. Any regular patron would attest the happy melting pot of cultures both local and international on any one night. Why would we want to jeopardize that situation by compromising this or any situation? For any further queries or comments with regards to this matter please contact yean@zoukclub.com.my or adam@zoukclub.com.my . Statement from Zouk Club Kuala Lumpur

Monday 27th August 2007

The safety and welfare of our customers both female and male is of the
utmost importance to us.

On the 27th June at approximately 2.00 am on a very busy trading night, a
scuffle broke out on the dancefloor of Zouk Kuala Lumpur between a group of female and male patrons. According to our internal investigation there was no further evidence of an alleged prolonged attack in the club and the parties involved were escorted out of the club where a further scuffle was seen to take place.

Allegations that the Zouk Malaysia security team were seen to do nothing are hugely unfounded. We have clear CCTV footage of the security not only actively diffusing the fight but also being preventive at their own expense in allowing the situation to inflame any further.

Zouk formally lodged a police report in accordance with procedure at the end of that trading session. Full cooperation has been given. We can also confirm that no CCTV footage of the incident has been withheld. We believe that this has showed our commitment to being transparent and eager to resolve the matter. Results from the police investigation
are pending.

Zouk Club KL acknowledges the incident taking place and takes this matter
very seriously. We fervently believe the appropriate measures were taken
with everyone’s safety in mind. This is an isolated but unfortunate incident
between two parties having a disagreement. It has no bearing on bias toward any sex, race or nationality as has been claimed.

We would happily invite the women involved to an open and frank discussion with ourselves and the relevant authorities present with regards to the allegations that we were unfair or biased in our actions.

We would also like to say that we have not had any formal complaints from the women involved nor their appropriate embassies regarding this situation. Again we would like to fully cooperate with any interested party in helping to fully resolve this matter.

Zouk Club KL has enjoyed having huge success mainly due to loyal patronage from people from all walks of life. Any regular patron would attest the happy melting pot of cultures both local and international on any one night. Why would we want to jeopardize that situation by compromising this or any situation?

For any further queries or comments with regards to this matter please
contact yean@zoukclub.com.my or adam@zoukclub.com.my .

]]> By: echolalia http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-309522 echolalia Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:53:13 +0000 http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-309522 I dunno, I feel it's a little harsh to compare getting beaten to the point you defecate, and petty crime. Sure, if you're wearing big hawaiian shirts and waving a huge wallet in a foreign country, you could reasonably expect to be a target for thieves. At the same time, I'm not sure you could say that ANYONE, let alone foreign women in Malaysia, could "reasonably" expect to be beaten to the point of defecation in a nightclub. Granted, I've never been to Zouk, I'm guessing this isn't some sketchy club down a side alley completely out of sight from the general public. I'm guessing this is a pretty well-established club, with some kind of legitimacy. Therefore, I don't you could say that the women should have been "street-savvy" enough to expect anything near what they received. And honestly, should anyone have to be in a position to reasonably expect treatment like that? This is Malaysia, not Iraq. Rule of law isn't fantastic, but it's there, somewhat. And as for the racial discrimination bit, and Malaysians probably not starting mass race riots against each other... While I'd agree that there aren't huge racial tensions, I do feel that things getting a little less secure when you're not one of the 3 main races. There're probably even fewer support groups if you're a foreigner. For example, it'd be hard for Indonesian and Phiilippino domestic workers to rally for each other if a domestic worker was severely abused, because of inherent power dynamics in Malaysia. Likewise, the two women at Zouk were probably in a similar situation. What I mean by a "similar situation" is more about the attackers' frame of mind: "hmmm, if I attack/wrong them, I'm not going to have a huge mob after me. Ok, I think I'll go for it". I'm not saying avoid Malaysia if you're not Malaysian, but like you said, be street-savvy. Only thing is, depending on where you are, I think unfortunately "street-savvyness" might have to go beyond considerations of petty crime. I dunno, I feel it’s a little harsh to compare getting beaten to the point you defecate, and petty crime. Sure, if you’re wearing big hawaiian shirts and waving a huge wallet in a foreign country, you could reasonably expect to be a target for thieves. At the same time, I’m not sure you could say that ANYONE, let alone foreign women in Malaysia, could “reasonably” expect to be beaten to the point of defecation in a nightclub. Granted, I’ve never been to Zouk, I’m guessing this isn’t some sketchy club down a side alley completely out of sight from the general public. I’m guessing this is a pretty well-established club, with some kind of legitimacy. Therefore, I don’t you could say that the women should have been “street-savvy” enough to expect anything near what they received. And honestly, should anyone have to be in a position to reasonably expect treatment like that? This is Malaysia, not Iraq. Rule of law isn’t fantastic, but it’s there, somewhat.

And as for the racial discrimination bit, and Malaysians probably not starting mass race riots against each other… While I’d agree that there aren’t huge racial tensions, I do feel that things getting a little less secure when you’re not one of the 3 main races. There’re probably even fewer support groups if you’re a foreigner. For example, it’d be hard for Indonesian and Phiilippino domestic workers to rally for each other if a domestic worker was severely abused, because of inherent power dynamics in Malaysia. Likewise, the two women at Zouk were probably in a similar situation. What I mean by a “similar situation” is more about the attackers’ frame of mind: “hmmm, if I attack/wrong them, I’m not going to have a huge mob after me. Ok, I think I’ll go for it”.

I’m not saying avoid Malaysia if you’re not Malaysian, but like you said, be street-savvy. Only thing is, depending on where you are, I think unfortunately “street-savvyness” might have to go beyond considerations of petty crime.

]]> By: Suanie http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-308581 Suanie Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:12:40 +0000 http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-308581 KY: I hardly go these days what anttyk: agreed. but once in a blue moon is nice lah :) dabs: heh you exaggerate beefstew: not confirmed if the bigwig's a royalty, or one of the datuk tan sris in abundance. could even be their offspring. sometimes it's the offspring that are the trouble makers, and not their parents. tigerjoe: i only been there twice when it was fairly new. wonder how it is now. but can't afford to go to that place la paultan: nuggets! davidlian: oh i haven't posted the one about the american navy dude in malaysia yet, lmao! then you'd be really pissed :P oO take note to avoid cambodian night clubs. mad: will do ;) do you dance, even? sharon: wannabe-elitist feel? heh gnasher: i think anyone with bodyguards can already do it lah. you'd be scared of the guards ;) Grant and lin: actually after this was posted, a dude posted a statement from Zouk regarding the matter. Sharon Bakar posted it on the lonely planet forum thread above, you can go read. In the other forum, I asked the Zouk guy if the statement was official, and if it is obtainable from anywhere else. He said he'll update the follow up to this incident as soon as he gets more details. in the statement was said that they have clear cctv footage... KY: I hardly go these days what

anttyk: agreed. but once in a blue moon is nice lah :)

dabs: heh you exaggerate

beefstew: not confirmed if the bigwig’s a royalty, or one of the datuk tan sris in abundance. could even be their offspring. sometimes it’s the offspring that are the trouble makers, and not their parents.

tigerjoe: i only been there twice when it was fairly new. wonder how it is now. but can’t afford to go to that place la

paultan: nuggets!

davidlian: oh i haven’t posted the one about the american navy dude in malaysia yet, lmao! then you’d be really pissed :P oO take note to avoid cambodian night clubs.

mad: will do ;) do you dance, even?

sharon: wannabe-elitist feel? heh

gnasher: i think anyone with bodyguards can already do it lah. you’d be scared of the guards ;)

Grant and lin: actually after this was posted, a dude posted a statement from Zouk regarding the matter. Sharon Bakar posted it on the lonely planet forum thread above, you can go read. In the other forum, I asked the Zouk guy if the statement was official, and if it is obtainable from anywhere else. He said he’ll update the follow up to this incident as soon as he gets more details. in the statement was said that they have clear cctv footage…

]]> By: lin http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-308546 lin Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:43:33 +0000 http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-308546 i'm a malaysian living overseas, and this news really makes me angry (if the report is true). first of all, it doesn't matter if the women are foreigners, they are WOMEN, and this is battery and abuse! I understand that Zouk wants to layan its big wigs, but that should not cross the line of letting their VIPs beat up whoever they want or hurling abuse at us 'normal' people! the fact that the police and zouk are just dismissing this case makes me not miss malaysia at all. tho i love the country, these political mishabits are really offputting. really sad, cos msia is a great country.but these vip or royalty or whoever they are need to realise 'other ' people live in this country too, and their actions reflect on all of us. i’m a malaysian living overseas, and this news really makes me angry (if the report is true).
first of all, it doesn’t matter if the women are foreigners, they are WOMEN, and this is battery and abuse!
I understand that Zouk wants to layan its big wigs, but that should not cross the line of letting their VIPs beat up whoever they want or hurling abuse at us ‘normal’ people!
the fact that the police and zouk are just dismissing this case makes me not miss malaysia at all. tho i love the country, these political mishabits are really offputting. really sad, cos msia is a great country.but these vip or royalty or whoever they are need to realise ‘other ‘ people live in this country too, and their actions reflect on all of us.

]]> By: Grant S. http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-307575 Grant S. Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:31:43 +0000 http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-307575 Under any normal state of affairs, the police should have immediately been called. There would have been enough material witnesses present to identify the attackers. CCTV footage should be clear, sort of the reason for having CCTV! Zouk management are charged with negligence for that, and for allowing Grievous Bodily Harm attacks on their premises without sufficient security to maintain order. The assailants are arrested - it is more difficult to arrest the supposed person who was being "guarded" as there is no evidence that he requested the action be taken, unless someone "squeals", not likely - security guards are called as witnesses... and then it goes to court for another infamous 5 year drawn out trial with no written records. ;) Case dismissed. And everyone who doesn't try to make things better is complicit. Me, you, all of us, foreigner or local. Big-Wigs? Royalty? 21st Century already folks! Under any normal state of affairs, the police should have immediately been called. There would have been enough material witnesses present to identify the attackers. CCTV footage should be clear, sort of the reason for having CCTV! Zouk management are charged with negligence for that, and for allowing Grievous Bodily Harm attacks on their premises without sufficient security to maintain order. The assailants are arrested – it is more difficult to arrest the supposed person who was being “guarded” as there is no evidence that he requested the action be taken, unless someone “squeals”, not likely – security guards are called as witnesses… and then it goes to court for another infamous 5 year drawn out trial with no written records. ;) Case dismissed.
And everyone who doesn’t try to make things better is complicit. Me, you, all of us, foreigner or local. Big-Wigs? Royalty? 21st Century already folks!

]]> By: Sharon http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-307278 Sharon Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:23:09 +0000 http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-307278 oh dear oh dear oh dear...wtf! mensiasuikan! oh dear oh dear oh dear…wtf! mensiasuikan!

]]> By: shin http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-306781 shin Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:57:02 +0000 http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-306781 shite... shite…

]]> By: Gnasher http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-306605 Gnasher Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:57:02 +0000 http://www.suanie.net/2007/08/28/zouk-did-it-again/#comment-306605 Assuming that this report is true, the main point that should not go amiss is that Zouk managment / security did nothing to stop the violent treatment of the women (regardless of whether they are foreign or not). This is highly irresponsible and they should be sued for neglingence for allowing the incident to magnify. The second point is who is this big-wig whose bodyguards can wreak havoc when they want to. Is Zouk's management kowtowing to this person for some reason ? Can my bodyguards do the same at Zouk ? Assuming that this report is true, the main point that should not go amiss is that Zouk managment / security did nothing to stop the violent treatment of the women (regardless of whether they are foreign or not). This is highly irresponsible and they should be sued for neglingence for allowing the incident to magnify.

The second point is who is this big-wig whose bodyguards can wreak havoc when they want to. Is Zouk’s management kowtowing to this person for some reason ? Can my bodyguards do the same at Zouk ?

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