on lampe berger and mlm
A conversation with a friend actually doing Lampe Berger stuff. Edited for clarity and length.
Suanie: You still in Lampe Berger ar?Friend: Ya. Why? Recently a lot of people asking me the same question. Apa kang tau?
Suanie: LOL. Anti Lampe Berger, Lampe Berger Help, Mack.
Friend: Haha..
Suanie: Going to be hoo haa.
Friend: There will always be some bad apples in a basket. Those are not news to us anymore.
Suanie:So are you really selling lamps?
Friend: Yes I am. Not doing recruiting anymore, only servicing existing customers. All the while there are problems like these. Just that it is getting more serious.
Suanie: Yeah. Did you pay RM30k?
Friend: Nope. Why suddenly so keen on Lampe Berger?
Suanie: Asking only mah. I don’t want you to get into trouble.
Friend: Basically it is a business, if you treat it as such. It will turn into a scam, if you want it to be. That’s the thing with MLM. Hard to control human behaviour. I stopped doing recruiting because the market is getting worst day to day by those people who treat it as a money game.
Suanie: Basically people are scared la.
Friend : Our whole group stopped doing recruiting. There’s one group really siao one… very fierce. They are the ones who make the whole market bad.
Suanie: Do the Lampe Berger lamps work?
Friend: Yes they do. But it is a natural way of healing. So different people will have different time frame to see the effects.
Suanie: What does it heal?
Friend: Different aromas will have different usage lar…
Suanie: Continue writing k.. I am going to take a nap.
Friend: There are certain aromas for healing migraines, stress… Normally we approach people only when we see that they have a need for the products, or the opportunity to make money. Some who benefitted from the product will become a distributor. It’s like you ate something good at Jogoya, you’d share it with others la. But in MLM you can make money from it lor. That’s it.
Friend: Some people might say, earning money from friends is not good. Just think the other way round. If you open a restaurant, you ask your friends not to come to your restaurant meh? Or you always treat them to dinner? It’s a perception… if you really look at it from a business point of view, MLM is also a type of business. The problem is, nobody can really control how people use it.
Friend: Although the government do have rules and regulations and laws about it, but it is still hard to control because it is run by humans. You can’t stop people from throwing price and all that crap. That’s why it might turn into a scam not unfamiliar with certain MLM, causing people to be scared and wary.
Friend: About Lampe Berger…. depends on what aroma you are using. For example, eucalyptus will help in healing asthma, bronchitis, sinus, breathing problems etc. Roses will help balance the hormones, blood circulation etc. Lavender helps with snoring and insomnia problems as well as release stress. Apple helps to whet your appetite and some detoxification. Sandal wood helps you to be calm, is used for meditation and some constipation problems.
Friend: That’s about aroma lah. It can also increase small amount of oxygen level, is anti-bacteria etc. No matter what aroma you use, these are the common effects. Aromatheraphy is a type of alternative healing la… like yoga, spa… but in a natural way. Not like western medication which supresses the illness… Natural like Chinese medication, using herbs to heal, finding the root of the illness.
Friend: That’s all lah… I lazy to write some more… Go here la.
I don’t support MLM scams; I don’t really believe in MLMs. All my life I’ve stayed away from the “give me some money now and see more money later!” stuff, except for a couple of insurance policies. Someone comes to me with a catalogue and a massive grin, I’d run for my life.
However I thought there might be another side to it, people who actually believe in the product and not the highly inappropriate recruiting methods, hence the conversation above. What my friend said is true — MLM can be a legitimate way to make money. I personally know of people who are so involved with companies such as AMWAY that it is their full-time job. Good for them.
Recommendations is a way of life. Someone could recommend to you a job, a car, a date. I could recommend to you a movie, a restaurant or a blog. Another person could recommend to you their insurance company’s latest policy, or a doctor down the road who could give you a fake MC. It is unfortunate that there is a loop in Lampe Berger’s hierachy and many people are irresponsibly taking lucrative advantage of it.
RM30k… wtf… *slaps your head*.
If you’re in an MLM that advocates a 30k payment in order to make even more money (and not for purchasing stock) it has passed the realm of legitimate business and entered into the scam realm. In fact anytime you have to pay money but promised big returns without ever buying anything you should be careful.
Suanie:
agreed. like the bomoh telling you that he could turn money into more money.
My cousin bought a Lampe Berger for her spa and believe you me, the bloody things works wonders. I would get it for my house but then again, it’s just too ex.
There are a lot of scams out there, even online ones. Writer-wannabes have to be on their toes for scammers like Poetry.com (which looks and sounds legit except for the bit where you have to pay for some award you won).
Suanie:
oO Poetry.com . A friend of mine was chuffed that she received a letter from them, telling her that her poetry won some competition, and that it would be published into a book, but she would have the buy the book etc etc etc. Sounded dodgy, but it made her happy for a bit.
Well, as your friend said. It depends how you perceive and carry MLM in bringing its image to your other friends or strangers. The reason many are skeptical of being involved is:
- they don’t believe it works and I believe the average numbers won’t invest more than RM200+ on such an item if the effects were not obvious within a week.
- too many rotten eggs in the basket that the main company or group leaders don’t really care about. this goes the same for the web industry.
all in all..Malaysians want to see a worthy investment fast instead of allowing it to do what it’s suppose to do.
I ponder sometimes if that’s really our malaysian culture.
Suanie:
I guess a lot of people have just heard about the bad side of MLM and are scared of that. It’s just that this whole Lampe Berger recruitment thing takes the bad cake.
Get rich fast, no effort whatsoever. A sign of our times.
I like how you took a nap while the thesis was being written.
It’s true, a lot of legitimate businesses can be turned into scams. The larger it gets, the less internal control, hence more loopholes.
Suanie:
I just got home and I was tired :X
spot: suan takes nap everywhere, including my house.
Suanie:
you should be so proud.
danny, it’s not just Malaysians la. There are naive and greedy (etc) ppl all over the world.
Someone once said that a typical Texas Wildcatter (independent oil producer) went to sleep in his tent while his pumps churned out $$$ from the wells. Suanie’s style (sleep while her productive resources go to work) somehow sounds strangely like…..
..an MLM!
Suanie:
-_-”….
MLM is not for me. I’d rather invest in Kuda / Magnum / Toto tickets. Or perhaps a 4D outlet.
Suanie:
but I believe that sharing is caring 
I don’t believe in such gambling either
I was approached by a friend to join this “business plan” as she put it, a few months back. What turns me off was not the plan itself (although I was cynical that it would actually work for the long-term) but how my friend was pushing the plan to us. They just don’t get the meaning of ” No, means fucking NO.”
The selling point to the new recruits?? The promise of a “secured, financially independent future”. Or from what they told me and what I saw, rm5000 LV totes and SLK Benzs and BMWs.
The thing with MLMs and direct-sales are, I have nothing against them. I’ve seen people who are very successful in this line, but the problem with these agents are, they get carried away. College kids giving up their studies for this is plain stupid IMHO.
Suanie:
LV bags are over rated
re lampe berger products: i’m allergic to them all, regardless of how they say it is ‘natural’ and ‘good for health’.
which weirds me out, because it’s normally the synthetic oils that give me the reactions i get from LB oils.
The idea behind aromatherapy is, to get the effects from inhaling whatever is in the air, the SMELL is not important - so the oils can be a lot milder.
I have a relative who made aromatherapy oils. Very effective - and an aroma so mild you won’t really notice it. No headaches.
So. I’m not very fond of LB. Guarantee headache everytime someone uses it.
i head over to menara hla coz my company branch is there and i frequent the gym there. every time, i’d see groups of black-suited people congregating at the ground floor of the building.
it piqued me interest - seeing people just sitting doing nothing but wearing expensive attire. most look like they’ve just graduated.
i’ve had my share of MLMs (Amway, Cosway, Omega Trend..).. some actually do sell good products.. some just bloody sucking money from people who momentarily get blindsided by the promise of supposed wealth.
time that they investigate the daily congregations (they do it on weekends too! don’t they have a life?)
Suanie:
I’ve always had this thing in my head, that AMWAY’s dishwashing liquid is far more superior than others.
Dude has been totally brainwashed into shitty ponzi scheme haha.
It’s just overpriced aromatherapy shit, remember that guy sitting next to us at Joey Yap Ming Xiang, and we said it smelt like rotted puke? That was Lampe Berger.
Suanie:
oOoOOoooOOo too strong I think
One of their well known method is asking you to open a franchise business. FRANCHISE SIAL! You start thinking of McD and KFC. But it turned out that each of the recruited member is considered a franchisee. Not really complying the Frachisor Act but the opinion (it’s not fact ok)they presented to you is enough to lure those “labi-labi” out there.
Next thing will be entering the China market, Indon market…
Different product, same worms or the fishes.
Suanie:
When they recruit more than focus on their products, it’s trouble.
Lampe Bergers … sounds crunchier than MacDonald or Burger King burgers … and how does the stomach digest the glass bulb????
These crazy foreign foods!!!!
Some Lampe Berger fragrances are pretty nice. My mom actually had bought some a few tears ago, before the hoo-hah about the whole LB franchiese matter kicked in.
I’ve been approached by some people and I keep turning them down. The question they usually ask when you turn them down is, “Don’t you like money?” Like duh, but I have the choice in how I earn my money, right?
Meh. At least my friends who are doing it are not pushy and not harassing people to join up. (AFAIK la)
I heard from a friend that there’s this guy who likened LB to joining a triad, which is a little too extreme a statement la IMO.
But what gets my goat is when people from LB (people I hardly know, not my friends), start making half assed comments like “Don’t you feel stupid working for a living under a boss?”
How to explain my motto in life is ‘Asalkan ada duit makan nice food, hidup is boleh!’ I’m my own boss when I choose to work what.
Sekian.
Suanie:
they are also under a boss what… sort of
LB idea does not fly with me at all. It reminds me of an AMWAY subsidiary called 21st Century something. It is very similiar to it. The big difference is that AMWAY or 21st Century have some products of quality to offer and LB has a what was it? oh yea the lamp which happens to be one of france’s valuable something(if I remember correctly from the presentation long time ago) Problem with 21st Century is very heavy towards PONZI system, which totally turns me off. Even my uncle who is a typical chinaman business guy was totally emotional when talking about LB, and felt that it is the worse of its kind. Next up is that crystal thingie which also emits some sort of aromatherapy when pluuged. Most if not all ppl who sells the products have done lil or no research on the product itself besides information given by said company or uplines, what with google and other more advance way of searching online.
But then being a sales, we need to really brainwash ourselves to sell stuff to earn money, but that’s another story la. But you do learn a thing or too still, not all’s bad, but then if one has a choice, I believe there are many other quality MLMs out there which not only pushes u in sales/recruitment, but also improve u as a person through sound training, goal-settings, knowledge etc.
Suanie:
Isn’t 21st Century the vitamin stuff?
I’ve had friends who joined Amway only to attend their talks and seminars etc, and not for the products at all. It helped her for a little while, but then she stopped going because she said it was becoming more n more bs. On the other side, someone else is in their 40s and is a high supporter of the motivational stuff. Tried to pass on me some cassettes, but I got scared coz he was coming on a bit strong — the mlm way lah.
your friend’s right.
Business is business and everyone wants to make money. But when one approach is feared, is dumb to still go head strong.
try selling Lamb Burger instead…makes more money and satisfied every hunger.
Now everyone can burger
A mamak near my house mis-spelt Lamb Chop as Lamp Chop on it’s sign.
Hmm.. interesting…
But I do agree that it all depends on how people sees it.
I’m sure, how your friend is running his/her business is going to be good provided a very good after sales.
http://lampebergerhelp.blogspot.com
Suanie:
I am aware that you are intent on exposing the recruitment side. But then there are people making an honest living out of it also lor
Actually, selling lamb burger sounds like a good idea. Especially since not everyone eats lamb-u meat.
Didn’t get the punchline? oh, OK.
I’ll go away and pick numbers for the next 4D draw then.
yea, the talks and seminars also cost u lor. For some, its an experience itself.. and u get to network and who knows! get hitched!
I read somewhere, that the actual ULTIMATE money making is standing up there talking abt how successful u are etc. U know all those talks by some supposed sucessful MLMers? yea those. Erm.. i forgot name liao.. but am sure it starts with 21st, he claimed its a branch out form AMWAY wor, here’s more info… http://www.mlmsurvivor.com/posts/post47.htm hmm I think its similiar to your fren who tried to push u training hahha. anyway dun belip everything on the net either!
Suanie:
I’d be worried if my future partner is into all these stuff. I think it might strain our relationship, simply because I’ve been aware of these MLMs for a long time, I am cautious and I am stubborn.
Anthony Robbins is making tonnes lots of money heh… but he works.
maybe the fella same as u la.. just go there to check out and look see look see wahahahahaa… speaking of which if you notice, many lookers at lamp berger, tried to sot me… cannot work, coz i broke as hell, ok this is waaay out of topic. Anthony’s works like a system does, and his diet idea is kinda workable.
Suanie:
bah still don’t want lah
the diet thing, you giving me a hint ar???
But Anthony Robbins… he is a sort of hypnotism as well.. there’s just something about his voice.
I got something by some dude called Brian Tracey, the voice is not as convincing as A.R.
so personality counts as well.
I attended a pre-AR seminar before, where this dude who went thru all of AR’s courses went on stage and began to try emulate his coach’s manner of convincing… didn’t work. Still a couple of my colleagues signed up for AR for the real thing and came back quite changed.
It helps to be good looking.
i like to call it lampah berger!Maybe i should start a burger joint and call it lampah burger! Eh cho seng lee bo?
Suanie:
sounds too much like ’sampah burger’, so you think leh?
KNNCCB! So expensive??
Roses can help with hormonal problems? Eucaylptus asthma?
wah. gonna start sending my patients that way…
Suanie:
all your patients are belong to lampe berger!!! bwahahahaha
I’ve seen 2 of my best friends joined LB. One fella’s gf even invested RM30k and the other is trying to persuade his mum to invest RM30k also. Now I’m not sure they are in deep shit or on the way to be wealthy. Sigh…
I went to LB centers thrice, both Penang’s and KL’s but didn’t join after all. I’m not against MLM and I think there are something to learn from MLM scheme (that’s the reason I went) but not from the bad apples in the basket. There were once 3 Marquis-ranked members sitting in front of me. Some of they did have their points but some were just being ridiculous.
I observed a lot of things when I was sitting in the office there. To be successful in LB you just gotta have the ability to crap. The more capable of you to crap, you will be more successful. Higher ranked LB members are pro in crapping and the listener usually don’t ask for validity of their words (except me lah ofcozZz, I asked a lot.). Most of the high ranked fellas were wearing all sorts of branded stuffs from Armani handbags to LV shoes.
The key to avoid joining is not to go to the center. Even you go, make sure you have a very clear mind otherwise you’ll sure get brainwashed. Imagine 3-4 crapping professionals take turns to brainstorm you with their so called brilliant business plan. The best friend of mine who joined recently went to LB center every night before he quit his job and full time doing LP now.
Next time, if anyone promoting LB solution to you, just point them to this website http://www.mywood-n-treasures.com/ for cheaper lamps.
Now I really hope to see some burger stores named as Lampu Burger.
Suanie:
group persuasion oft works better. the pressure working inwards.
“Lampu Burger, Lampu Burger
Marilah jadi member
Satu biji dua ringgit
Tiga biji lima ringgit
Makan puas-puas dompet tak sakit”
nah, go improvise.
I am not in MLM but I think nothing wrong - it’s a business model. Every kind of biz, you’ll find crooks.
I used Lampe Berger. I don’t know whether it works or not. But I like the smell. It’s expensive … so I used sparingly (stingy mah!)
Suanie:
I think it’s a personal thing — some ppl might find the smell overpowering (like Lainie and ST).
well, the reason I don’t like MLM is because it is an unhealthy cycle:
they make you join them, and to get back that large amount of joining fee, you have to seek for people to join.
Where goes the money?
The upline.
Where goes the victim?
The downline’s sponsor (the one who provided the ‘business fund’)
To be frank, I’d rather call MLM strategy as:
‘Cheat people, to cheat another people’
Agree. I like branded stuff, I’m kiasu like that, but I ain’t paying 5000 bucks for an ugly-ass bag just because it has LV stamped all over it. And it prolly looked like I bought it for rm20 at Petaling Street, LOL.
Like Bryan, I went to one of their branch in Wisma Antarabangsa just to find out what the fuss is all about. It was 3 hours of non-stop brainwashing and bull-shitting. The funniest shit was they even tried to quote Bill Gates on something he never said.
And I don’t dig their pushy-pushy, hard-sell tactics of recruiting new members. This friend tried to approach my dad with the plan several times and got some serious lecturing from the old man
Suanie:
Haha your dad damn keng
Oh well, Suanie, I do understand.
Sorry to the good apples, but something needs to be done against the bad apples.
Once and for all clear things up.
“To be sinned by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men.”
Suanie:
no worries. kerana nila setitik rosak susu sebelanga.
my bro nearly joined the berger thingy but i managed to talk him out of it. not that i’m against MLM but it just smells fishy when someone asks u to fork out thousands of dollars to join an MLM business.
MLM may be controversial but some companies really do produce quality products and offer a decent marketing plan, such as amway.
people who wanna join should consider all aspects of the company, or else they could be flipping burgers for all their miserable life.
Hehehehehe, maybe most of the lampu burger user are aroma fetish.
i know of a few friends who are involved in this lampe berger thingie…
i do wonder if they belong to the ethical or unetchical group but good thing is that they never bother to approach me.
probably they’ll know that i’ll sneer and give them the birdie.
Suanie:
or hit them with your gitar
when you enter their office, you’ll smell the aroma, hence got lured into the business… lolx jks
Suanie:
thats like saying, you get a whiff of a girl’s perfume which she had splattered liberally on her neck and other vital parts, and you’d be reminded of something and would like to know her better (like in the advertisements) … I can tell you that it doesn’t work
I am anti LB! *Roarrrrrrr*
I was involved in Lampe Berger 2 years ago. With the exaggerated income figure and easy-to-follow business plan, I quit my fulltime job of an accountant and went fulltime into LB. Results: I didn’t have any downlines and no sales for 8 full months. One thing did increase after 8 months - my credit card balances.
I’m very open and I do believe in Network Marketing/MLM. LB was my first experience. I do believe that MLM can work and it works best for people have the willingness to work it out. However, as in anything in life, there ought to be some bad apples somewhere around.
A legitimate business doesn’t require heavy investment or any sorts of heavy product dumpling. You earn by recommending a bottle or two to your family/friends and then they recommend a bottle or two to their family/friends and as your recommendation list grows, your income grows accordingly.
A pyramid scheme is when there is no product movement, the top guys earn all the profits without doing anything, the group’s main activity is recruitment/head-hunting and there is excessive product dumpling at the beginning with no further product purchases thereafter. It seems to me LB fits into all the definitions of a pyramid scheme.
No wonder they were under investigation by Direct Sales Act in Malaysia and TVB Investigation File in HK.
Kudos to the latest breed of MLM!
Suanie:
there are the good and there are the bad. like my friend said, it’s just another type of business. how one approaches it is very important
Someone had that thing in the office sometime back. The only thing I remember is that it made me choke. But then most perfumes make me choke. Didn’t know it was MLM until lately.
About MLM, as people say, easy come easy go. Btw came through a labyrinth of links.
i also have a roommate who join and invest for rm30k in the lb…wahahah…(so sui yu) u all know what is the meaning of sui yu? Tips: labi-labi…..okie.lets get in the topic..i am a very pelik people..my hobby is eating bawang and then get fart…(very smelly)…so my lb roommate say that the lb aroma can wipe off all the smell even can kill the bacteria.(b***s**t)..so he always light on the idiot lamp for a while and then the smell get in all the room..Now the show time…i expose my explosion gas—my fart…wow..i tell u la..u all never believe..all the room become very smelly and my lb roommate say”walau,your fark can kill people la,like a nuclear bomb….hahaha..very funny.i just answer that “eh,your lb lamp not can wipe off the smelly meh,somemore can kill bacteries…suddenly he speechless…[i know i very disgusting,but i hope u all don't afraid of me because i am not the person who alwyas fark at anytime and anywhere,but i can control my fark natually but then i don't have any button on my body]this is my natural way…ok lets continue about my friend..wow..next day he brought other aroma smell back.he say that this time my fart smell will wipe away by this aroma..so what is the ending….the result same..all the room is smelly that caused by my fart.haha..i win!!..so he is no idea again but a thing i really proud of my friend is his confident.he still really 1005 believe that lb lamp got work..walau weh…i had prove many thing but he still belive..100% brain washing…but the funny thing is he can’t get the aroma smell so he choose a way..he get the lamp into toilet and get the smell while he is taking his bath…wahahha..very kesian…am i too cruel???? now my friend still didn’t earn a cent from the lb but he decided to fulltime..(siao de)..now i just want to see when is the time he will be stop because he go out everyday and go back at latenight..all i know is he haven’t earn money but he had spend a lot of money lo….(my poor friend)..so i still have many story about my this funny friend…so i will post up in this website since i found it..thanks for everyone to read my this story…always happy and healthy…have a nice day…to be continued..
Suanie:
you are a tad cruel to your friend hehehe waste his LB scent money only 
err okay
Actually LB or any MLM is not trying to cheat you or anything. It actually depends on the person itself. The idea of network marketing is to replace the conventional business, rather than making one few people rich (retailer, etc), we make everyone rich. But again it depends on individuals how they take it. Some people prefer to go shop and buy and don’t know to whom the money goes to, rather than knowing our friend is getting commission from it. That’s natural.
As for the 3Ok, it’s just an Option, NOT a must. If you choose to become a franchisee only, yes you can. Of course your upline prefer you to become count, but then you yourself should decide about it.
Anyway, they are some greedy people in the business who makes the wrong thing and making the LB name bad. Just like Osama attack on 11 sept, Islam is accused. Same thing here. We can’t accuse everyone, since most of them are really good.
As for me, I’m doing this only on part time basis. I’m not crazy to regisn and go into this full time since I’m still learning in this business. Why I’m doing this, not because I want to get a BMW or anything, but only for some extra income. Talking about risk, risk is everywhere.
Believe and it will come true
Date joined
:
9th September 2002
Date qualified Marquis : May 2003
Date qualified Duke : October 2005
Philosophy : We must accept changes
People to thank : Chairman Mr. Kim Huynh & spouse Ms. Mary Lim, SEA GM Mr. Anthony Chen & spouse Ms. Sally Huang, Country Manager Mr. Sean Lim, Arch Duke Steven Yeam & spouse Ms. Vena Mui, Duke KJ Yap and spouse Duke Canice Wong, Duke Chong Soon Free and spouse Erica Yap, Marquis Joan Chai Lai Wan, Marquis Edmond Ng Chu Chun, all my beloved business partners, precious key leaders, parents and management & staff of DCHL.
Money is security and choices
They are the youngest Duke couple in Malaysia. She is 29 years old and he is 32 years old. To them, traditional workers are like common worker ants. We have a daily work routine and no matter how hard we work, we always worry about bad economic situations, retrenchment and fear of being laid off. Being passionate about their lives, this couple did not want to be the common worker ants. With determination and effort, they reaped success.
Duke Patricia used to be a job hopper always looking for opportunities. She says, “Money meant security to me. I have been in sales, questionnaire research, promotions work and hamper delivery. When there are seminars for opportunities, I’ll be thereâ€. As long as there is something to learn and money to make, she will be there. She was also once a P.A. in her husband’s car accessory shop. At that time, she bought a van to ferry kids to school for more income. Duke Roy ended his studies after Form 3 and worked in a car accessory shop as an apprentice. At 21, he owned his first car accessory shop. He worked 6.5 days a week and more than 10 hours a day but he was not satisfied with the income he got. After getting married and with kids, he knew he needed to work even harder to support a family. Being in his own business for 10 years, he never thought of buying a car worth more than RM100,000.00 even if he could afford it but after being with DCHL for 2 years, they bought a car worth more than RM300,000.00.
The chance came upon when Duke Roy’s car accessory partner, Marquis Edmond Ng joined Lampe Berger and invited them. Duke Roy never liked the idea of direct selling but Duke Patricia was looking for opportunities and with Duke Roy’s trust in Marquis Edmond, they immediately joined as a member on their first visit to DCHL. Within 3 months, they closed their car accessory shop and went into the business full time.
Find the right company
Duke Patricia was already exposed to various direct selling companies. At the age of 19, she sold health products. She joined another direct selling company in 2000 (5 years later). From her experience, she finds that the marketing plan offered by other companies were not lucrative. Because of the experiences, she knew that DCHL’s marketing plan was a better option with bigger expansion opportunities.
They feel that the best job is the type that rewards you according to the amount of effort you put in. The career should provide freedom and time flexibility. This is all offered in DCHL’s direct selling career. Before joining DCHL, Duke Patricia was rejected by many people when it came to direct selling. Now, working as a couple, Duke Patricia’s father, brother, relatives and friends who previously rejected her career has started to accept it. Their friends and relatives have also joined their network.
Toughest challenge in life - Challenge Marquis
The Challenge Marquis period was a tough time for them till it left a deep impression in their minds. They were worn out physically and mentally. Duke Patricia says they looked most haggard during that period.
When they started their Challenge Marquis, they were very fresh in the business. Running around like headless chickens, they did not have ideas on how to achieve it. During the last 10 days of the challenge, they were worried. They thought they would fail until Arch Duke Steven Yeam said to them, “If you did not sacrifice and put in enough effort earlier, do it all in this last 10 daysâ€. This gave them encouragement. In the end they finally made it.
They were also very lucky to have their parent’s support. During the hard times, especially when they needed to put more time and concentrate with their business at DCHL. Their parents took away their biggest worry by helping to look after and supporting their children. They would like to give a million thanks to their parents Eric and Jenny. A parents help and support is very important but children should never abuse the help and support of their parents.
Accept changes and you will find success
Their success is due to the fact that they were willing to accept changes. They accepted opinions and suggestions from others and improved. They encourage others to be opened minded and believe in your self when facing any challenges or situations.
Duke Roy believes that sincerity is important in the direct selling industry. You need to be honest all the way and not have any hidden agenda. Duke Roy and Patricia would like to remind their partners to be aware of the importance of time management, determination and be daring enough to face challenges. After 3 years of direct selling, this normal couple has attained wealth. At the same time, it has made them more hard working and positive. In the direct selling industry, you will be rewarded based on the amount of effort you put in. It takes both rain and sunshine to make a rainbow. Our achievements today belong to everyone.
Success Formula
- Attitude
- Accept changes
- Believe
- Be sincere and simple
- Time management
- Determination
That comment above mine is blatantly stupid. All and I mean ALL fields will have their sucess stories.
Heard the Boon Siew motor story? There are lots of that lying around. Working hard at ANYTHING will usually get you somewhere.
Work hard at your company and you may get promoted. Or not. I’m well aware of many hard working MLMers that haven’t made it at all?
Sure your story may be real but so is this: 9 out of 10 dentists prefer Oral-B.
To put it succinctly: To actually beleive / fall for / put your trust in a story like that: did you fail / not take statistics in school?
SO far the comments here are more acceptable compared to other blogs..If LB / SYN is scam, why til now nobody take any action yet? At least point out what’s wrong in their plan? Everyone is talking abt the 30K, but what’s wrong with that? Why Government still let them run the business if it’s scam? Anyone here who “joined” LB and found out the whole thing is actually a scam? I am neither a LB user nor its distributor, but just coming from a network marketer’s standpoint.
Suanie:
From what I understand, the recruiters are targetting college and school leaver kids with a plan not unsimilar to a ‘get rich quick’ scheme. Again from what I understand, the 30k was to purchase a position, one level up from the beginner level. And apparently these kids, wild with dreams and delusions of money and grandeur had no actual idea of what they were getting into. I think that’s why a lot of ppl are unhappy with this method as it is rightly unethical. Then the business plan comes under scrutiny, but I think that is secondary to the recruitment effect on the kids’ relationships with their families etc.
Like that lor.
Hey man…Why u guys always talk about Rm 30K.. Izzit very big to u all. First of all, i invest in that position for six month, and i already got all back into my pocket. Now i really hope that all my downlines fellow does’t invest in 30K BECAUSE
Suanie:
well dah-ling, some people think methods matter. congrats to you anyhow
Hi LB rocks,
Congrats to you, so you got your money back..
Of course, you can earn back your money fast, it’s a pyramid scheme.
But the problem is, let’s say your downline has problems recruiting more guys in. So he decided to quit. He will face refund problems (they said 90% refundable, except signature lamps and promotional items).
That downline will lose the most.
And oh ya, you will lose too right? Your paycheck will be deducted due to refunds.
Hope that doesn’t happen.
Good luck to you.
I was approached by 2 friends in different occasions on LB business and have been to KL Kia Peng HQ. I must say, it’s grandly decorated and up market look and feel. I attended the “brainwash” session by one of the marquis in the cubical office. It was pretty good pitch though and not surprise many people fall to that. The selling of the dream on financial independence and quick money is the biggest lure.
“Get 5 count and you get your money back”, and that is why the people work so hard, they need to recover the 30k. Once they get their money back, they will help their downline to get their money back. This is how the bug is pass from one level to the other.
I believe there there are many lamps sitting out there, in someone’s home. This kind of front loading effects will burst like a bubble in no time.
My nephew borrowed money from his mother 30k, and now stuck with a full load of lamps in his car. The 6 months return policy not effective as most people will not quit within 6 months, with all the pressure and influence from upline and friends. No body want to be a quiter so quick right?
Anyone want to buy 1/2 price lampu burger?
Suanie:
don’t want la.. i smell good as it is
Its not Lampe Berger to blame. The product sold to a customer in the UK never has a problem with the lamp or the way it has been sold.
the main problem is the way lampe berger is sold or any product this way a lot of presure
DO NOT BLAME THE PRODUCT BLAME THE COMPANY SELLING IT THIS WAY.
DAVE
Hey Suanie, great website. I think the arguments placed here are very constructive and gives a broad perspective.
I’m a DCHL distributor in Melbourne, Australia. and I’ve been at it full-tim for almost 2 years now. The market is new here, and I was pretty much one of the first who introduced not only LB but also the MLM business into Austalia.
I can tell you that it has not been an easy road. But I can also tell you that the business has prooven to myself its role in contributing to society.
I agree very much with your friend. It is the way the people in the business conduct themselves that determines whether it’s a scam or not. Any ledgitimate business regardless MLM or conventional could be branded a culprit of degrading society eg. Enron.
The real task, like your friend mentioned is in controlling the factors of human behaviour. As a business, the revenue was essential, but it was the requirement for a culture that would sustains the integrity of an enterprise that would satisfy that task.
In the LB network I belong to, we emphasise a lot on culture. Let me tell you an experience.
6 Months ago, through this business, I made enough money to buy a fairly expensive merc. But I was told that I am not allowed to drive it to any of the seminars or gatherings. Ultimately I am not to show it off, especailly to my downlines.
It was never my intention to show off my car, I bought it mainly because it was a car that I appreciated in driving. But ofcourse, it did cross my mind that it would also help inspire downlines who were yet successful.
Through my development in Lampe Berger I was educated with many sentimental values that we must embrace. One was that we should never show off materialistic articles that we might have acquired through our success. I believed in its merits, but unfortunately I’d hadn’t really understood it.
When I bought the new car my old car was traded in. The new luxuary sedan became my only transportation tool to any of my business gatherings. At first not only my down-lines, others in my network were all pretty impressed. And it did inspire them to a postive extent. But the integrity of my business began to buckle.
The car became a symbol of not only my success but also the lack of bonding between my partners and I. As had made more money I began to forget what it felt like to have a struggling life and a car that would always breakdown on the way to important LB cases. I became distant from my downlines. They no longer felt that I could comprehend what they were going through in conducting this business.
It’s like an analogy that I had came up with. In the army, there is a reason why there is a Sergeant amongst the enlisted soldiers. In a battlefield life is always threatened, a soldier would not listen directly from the order of an officer who is sitting safely in a command post via a radio. But they would listen to the Sergeant on the field with them whose life is just as much in danger.
MLM is a very controversial industry even in Australia, it is very dangerous grounds for the emotional welfare of my downlines when they are amongst their friends or families.
When I drove that car to the seminar, it was like I was driving a tank into a flamming battlefield when my downlines were all still holding pistols.
After two weeks, I went and spent 3000 AUD on a very old 2nd hand car. And I drove that around for every LB event since.
In my network, everyone has a responsibility for the person they bring into the business. We arouse the eager desire in our prospects from talking to them deeply about our life and our dreams. And to be successful themselves they have to learn to care about people and wanting genuinely to help others. And I do despise network marketers who try to entise people into the business by showing a photo of their Porche or promising that they will retire early.
I see Lampe Berger as a business and a place for a long and secure career. It would be fake to say that we’re not in it for the money. But really we don’t want to care about money, that’s why we’re doing the business to have the money working for us instead of us working for it and move quickly to accomplish our dreams and ideals in life.
Refering to the 30K RM, most people cannot accept it is probably because they haven’t done business before. I come from a business background. When I was first approached by my upline about this business. I did not believe in it at first, simply because the conditions of conducting this business sounded too good to be true. Even if i did not have that much laying around, I’d seriously go for a loan. In Australia, it is 20k AUD for a count stock.
I’m not sure how famous RICH DAD POOR DAD by Robert Kiyosaki is in Malaysia. I encourage people to read one of his other books which is about MLM, entitled - RICH DAD BUSINESS SCHOOL: For people who like helping people.
Thanks for letting me share with my expereience, i just like to conclude that I am dedcating my efforts in helping others through this busines because I was once helped by someone as well.
I don’t expect everyone to look at MLM the way i do, but I do hope people can begin looking at objectively as we do with Muslims and the 911 terroist attacks.
Suanie:
thanks mate for sharing your experience
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Sorry, not gonna happen.
- Suanie
I just couldn’t understand why the authorities never investigate this LB and its effect. Their products certainly mark up a few notches and the blatant claims of health effect or benefits. Hmm, maybe think about. Their product price, if you search elsewhere aplenty from web sources, you will find it is definately cheapers lamp or oil from web and you’ll find it is sold retail too. The price here in Malaysia is 50% or >100% mark up! Then the health/benefit claims of or by LB members, keep away the mosquitoes la, help SARs, increase oxygens, for smoker la, etc… then you have the TVB investigation video prove otherwise. And also the newspaper report the mother accidentaly drop/explode LB issue which shows its hazardous/dangerous material to put in one’s home. Why why still people still willing to buy such expensive since proven and shown elsewhere is beyond me. Or people still make the claim when it is proven not. Maybe they where not as informed as some of us…could be. If you are LB member and know about this, isn’t this is cheating already. Also the method and the tactic that I read about.. brainwashing method…group pressuring..you can’t win them. How can 1 person outtalk a whole bunch of people when you in their session..in democracy..in their democracy system of talking no matter how valid your point is..you lose anyway. Talk is cheap. I read with pity, those who borrow money from friends, relative, loan sharks, sell their cars, swipe their credit cards etc all with the false promises of striking it rich with this LB. And all the problems and hardship that comes later…reality…when they are more clear headed. And why authorities do nothing about it…my theory, is this LB exist kinda in a legal loopholes only in Malaysia(u know), maybe. Can you prosecute them making false claim, fraud etc? I’m no lawyer so I can’t answer this…can anyone. Also, they are smart I think that they do charity here and there..close some mouths I guess..it is not nice to write/accuse/bite the hand that feeds you. Also I read that MCA Ng Yen Yen secretary is the LB Arch Duke or something..maybe that’s why..MCA do have a dirty hand part of the pie… outrageous .. conspiracy theories for some. Come to think of it, that’s why Michael Chong also been so quite..maybe he’s a Count liow. =)
Think in different things, everything sure got positive and negative side right? So no point argue. I got a lot of answers to all the questions in here. The story is not made up but its a fact that got alot ppls success and those gives up. The success stories is not made up as the couple became duke because they are my partners and from poor to rich, really put a lot of efforts and what they can do now is really retired and give the best life to their parents.
take care… thanks everyones..
The authorities did checked on the company but nothing wrongs infact gaves us license, recognicition and so on…
Before i join into this business, i really anti into as well, but i hope someone tell me what can give me money and time? I did work for ppls and i became boss too but what i gain? Got money but no time, got time but no money… Why not got money and time? I just believe as long what we are doing is not illegal and cheats ppls. Thats all, to forummers; please dont anti LB or talk negative even dont involve in the business. We will appreciate it. 1 more point to let you all knows, very logic! If mlm is so unpopular, alot of mlm companies came out in every year…
Its good to have both side comment. I am in MLM too but not LB. But MLM is known as low investment business so that those poor would have opportunity to success.
The most interesting about MLM is it divide to 2 category, one is base on product and one is base on concept. Both got adv and disadv. I just give my comment and opinion only so dont feel angry ah.
Product base company will more focus on sharing product more than recruiting. The benefit is consumer would have good service and your net work are healthy and more stabilize. But for distributors, bad news could come along cause you have take a longer time to success and you must have patient in term of recruitment.
Concept base company may success far more quickly but they lose stability of income and whole sales within their network.
So i have choosen product base company. I more prefer a steady income every month instead of one month have and dun have in the following month.
Unfortunetly, Malaysia top 5 MLM company is also a product base company. This can prove that this kind of company would have a better long run.
Thanks
well.. i don really really read through all the posts.. but i’m gonna comment on post 41st, no offence..
k, i assume this author of this web and most of the visitors from m’sia caz i’m from m’sia too as i don spent time here.. everybody know wat is so called “Skim Cepat Kaya” isnt it? for those who duno about it jz ignore me as well..
simple question, is our government encourage we join SCK? tv also got ad showing some sample cases..
let’s jz put LB another aside.. there r stil lot and lots more MLM existing.. OT, AW, CW, CNI, AK and some unknown “brand”.. most of it make production.. and it is too much.. but y they r stil alive? bcaz they share a same concept or slogan which is “y buy from shop when u could but it from us and u could b a member of us where u could enjoy the “special” prices on next purchase?” y nike cant beat adidas or y adidas cant beat nike? they got their own market.. k, this is jz a crap.. :p
a real thing that i seen is a “brand” of MLM is jz a TREND! it will gone wif the time past.. anyone here know about “ling zhi”? sorry, i duno wats the name ppl called in past.. i told u it is a “branded”, “famouse”, “well-known” and “powerful” once.. even aunty who washing plate behind kopitiam also know about it and ah pek eats dim sum in the morning also talk about it.. but where is it now? AW was top once.. is it stil active in market now?
any kind of businesses was started to earn money.. 2day the MLMers call their plans as a BUSINESS.. k, do u think they gain from u? definitely! do u think their so called upline gain from them? u should got the answer.. if u’r a newbie in this line.. how many person involve in the “supply chain”? lol.. ok, let’s c the traditional supply chain in market.. as i know is.. supplier to manufacturer to wholesaler to dealer to seller to end user.. this is the traditional ways which is one to many business..
a sample pricing could b found here.. http://www.mywood-n-treasures.com/
someone says, if Thomas Edison who invented bulb is selfish how would we having a bright world 2day? i say, we find good, find us no good!!
if 1 day i open a restaurant, of caz i would invite my fren to come over.. but not gain profit from them.. u expect they eat in ur restaurant everyday?? since when u c a owner of restaurant ring his/her frens come over to eat 1? unless u having some promotion or new menu.. if 1 day u able to open restaurant then ur frens is a TOOL to help u earn money NOT to earn their money! they eat wif their mouth and they ad 4 u wif their mouth..
enjoy readin, pls comment, very long.. :p
wow suanie i impress about ur thinking..hehe…anyway i’m colven and now just join Syn for not long just half month only. But still have some problem about RM 2345. i’m sure tat u have some solution to solve this problem rite?
(sigh) my family banned me for a month..i still donno wat to do now. I’m sure tat they can banned for long…
A message from a friend of an ex-member of DCHL Lampe Berger representing few other ex-members
(victims):
Tribunal case to be heard at Shah Alam Tribunal
Court on 18th August 2006 9:00 am.
Total Claims : Exceeded RM 25,000
(2 cases to be heard)
Summary of refunds from DCHL
* Total Group Investment: > RM 100,O00
* Involvement: Family members & relative
* Total Refunds: way below 90% as stated in
Direct Sales Act if refund
within 6 months.
* Loss: SOB
Please feel free to join us for the hearing.
Your support are very much appreciated.
Hi Suanie, i am interested to get into contact with Paul, post 46 if you could help, i love his mindset and attitute, and would like to learn from him. Cheers, Kev
Hi,
I’ve joined this LB for the past 2 months. I wasn’t into MLM at all bcoz I’ve tried a few MLMs and ended up using the products myself. So, when my brother invited me, he took me 2 1/2 months to get me to see his upline (not in the office). It took me another month to sign up.
The investment of 30k is optional actually. To be a member, you just have to pay RM150. To be a franchisee, you can either invest abt 2k or you buy & sell the product until you get abt 2k (just like other MLM, you take the order, buy it with distributor price & sell to the customer). Then, you can recruit 5 new franchisees OR you buy & sell the product until you can reach the next level. It’s all up to you. You’re the one who’s controlling your money.
LB is not a sole product of this MLM business. They have other products too. At the moment, they have skincare & haircare series & also a spa in Menara HLA. They are in the process of bringing in new products too. However, LB is the focus since it can guarantee repeat sales (Not just MLM but any other business, right? To keep the business alive means to have repeat sales, just like those selling printers & toners/ink).
I knew LB long before i know there is LB business. My boss has been using this product for more than 8 years. All i can say is, i know this product well before i joined the business. I admit that the smell can be too strong for certain oils. That’s why we only burn the oil for only 40mins, not the whole day. Again, we have a freedom to choose which oil suits us the most. There are a lot of varieties & functions.
And, yes i bought 30k stocks. Even though i only recruited 1 person in 2 months (quite slow haa..after all, this business can be done at my own pace & my own time) but my bf and i have sold 5 lamps (another 3 by end of this month) & repeat sales on the oils. So, nothing to lose i guess. Those people (end users, do not sign up as distributors) who bought the lamp already done repeat sales now. I didn’t recruit my bf, he’s not into MLM but he can do sales successfully..it’s just that he doesn’t like the commitments (follow up, etc).
I didn’t buy too many expensive lamps (the expensive one i just use myself & give to my parents), as my bf & i have discussed to sell the stock instead of just waiting to recruit people in order to earn my money back. I took more oils than lamp & my strategy works. In 2 months (together with the commission) I’ve already got half of what i’ve invested.
So, for me, whatever business you’re doing, plan it & handle it carefully. Do not invest more than you should. Don’t let your upline force you to fork out 30k or 10k from you if you are not capable of investing that much. Don’t be too stress out when your upline keep pushing you to recruit people. As they always said, this is your business. You are the boss. Then, the choice is yours. Don’t blame others if you fail.
This is not a “skim cepat kaya”. You have to work hard to earn your money. Nothing comes easy.
Hi guys, im just want 2get some infor from those who hav been joined LB. I havent join yet but i do hear alot of bad stody abt LB, i do meet some ppl who success in LB and earning alot of money, im geting confuse that is it LB can stand long in future? Is it LB is good? I know that every business sure got pro n con, so just wan 2get a clear picture on it. TQ..
hi WinXP,
have you join LB???
If not yet, pls send me a email at joeypg@gmail.com, where I can share more about LB.
cheers.
Finally found a good place to get info on how to explain to ppl about this business. I’m a franchisee distributor n jz joined like today. n joey, r u a marquis? ur name sounds familiar though. hehe….
hi all,
I never thought that LB would ever touch my life or my close relatives/friends. But end of last month, a junior of mine-an undergrad at local U…still in her 1st semester mind U- called me and requested to borrow some money. She sounded desperate enough and said that she really needed that money because her life and her future was at stake… She refused to tell me why but promised that she will tell everything in 1 month time.
I help her out..RM1.5k thinking that she would need the money to buy laptop/pay Uni fees or other urgent matters.
Before long I got a call from a few friends and other juniors, claiming that this person went to them and try to borrow some money-ranging from 1.5k to 10k!!!
I’m shocked…why a naive, innocent and single 1st semester undergrad want to borrow so much? What for?
Few days ago I called her and insist to know what’s her real reason. She proudly announce that she invest the money to set her own company! And guess what the company is? LampeBerger!!!
How furious i’m…parting with my hard-earned money just to let her fall into lampberger trap!
I can’t imagine how she gonna repay her loaners considering the amount that she has collected from her friends and relatives!
Which students (her circle of friends) in their normal state of mind want to use those lamps (no matter how good the lamps are)if those lamps costs not less than few hundred even not thousands!
And how soon she can repay her loaners if she can’t move the products!
And her hectic schedule as a 1st semester quatity surveyor student definitely won’t allow her to do her sales and attend as many ‘motivational’courses as her full time upliners!…
Then what happen? Quitting her studies? Quitting lampberger?
IMHO that’s why LB need rm2.5k (such a huge start-up capital for MLM)….it’s like an insurance policy whereby if a player drops out..the upliner or the big-boss has already got a grip on the amount of money that other MLM’s are able to collect from 5-7 levels of their downliners!
And guess who is the biggest loser?….those naive student who think that they are able to sell overpriced candle lamp to their circle of friends who are as poor as they are!
It’s quite ok if the up-front capital is small like other MLM…that any student can dig out from their own pocket money….without any need to borrow from relatives, friend(why so desperate?)..
But min 2.5k with guarantee return if U invest 30k..is full of BS**t….especially when they preying on the STUDENTS who lives on scholars and pocket money from their parents!
If I have the 30k….why do i need to invest in lampberger? Better buy a van and sell kuew tiaw at pasar malam with a guaranteed return in a few months time…
Just an analogy to highlight the value of 2.5k or 30k to some people…..it’s valuable and worthwhile under the care of some people but hey… it’s not difficult to loose that amount either….
i’m very worried now….seriously guys.
reply to the dude above….
hey dude, since ur asking so many questions, why not ask the friend of yours why she wants to join the business so much, eventhough shes already a uni stundent and has a gd future ahead of her. see her reasons, n understand what she wants first. u will get your answer.
Hi Suanie,
Happy New Year, i hope!
Your friend should asks us all to refer to http://www.lampeberger.com instead of the local http://www.dchl.com.my/sg/jp/etc….
I don’t know man…your lampeberger friend still sounds dodgy…maybe using reverse psycho..
I wonder how come the marketing scheme is only available in Asia. I wonder why the US, Canada and France don’t sell lampe berger the way Asia does.
Why are we asians so cheater-koks?! Any blady con job schemes sure to start in this part of the world wan!
I cannot tahan lah!
Actually i see this lampe berger thingy is oklah…the 30K thing is too melebih sure. But the plan is ok mah. I mean if people want to pay a gazillion ringgit for fragrant water what can we do rite?!(cipet, i also have one at home;D)
Don’t know the truth or science whether it really works or not, but the dang thing sure smells nice!
I recently found a big plantation company that can extract all kinds of oil for aromatherapy lah, healinglah, etc…all cost below 10 ringgit per 10ml…Aiyoh, even the world famous Australia’s Thursday Plantations Tea Tree Oil only cost around RM30 and can do so many more stuff.
I reckon there should be a subject in school called…The Coin Always have 2 sides…always study both…
Friend of mine joined with 30k borrowed from someone I know. She didn’t tell the person what it was for when she borrowed it. In the end, I dug it out of her. Fact of the matter is, if it is such a lucrative business why are you so afraid of telling people you are in it? Those who invited her to join actually insinuated her to not tell people about her plans to join it. That happened like half a year ago.
Last night, an aunt of mine (close to her 30s) was asking me over msgr about how I want to play out my career. Do I want to get stuck on a lousy job, working for people who are earning more out of my work than I am, or do I want to be able to get a car and my dream house within the next 2 years?
I told her I am not into network marketing and she says I am afraid of change. I told her I am not good with persuading people to part with hundreds just to breathe in burned oil. She says I’m afraid of rejection. I told her I am not interested in a business where I am sure I will not be able to profit from. She says if you don’t work, you won’t be able to be rich. Every answer makes sense, but…
In truth, she is not the type of person who can come up with these answers. In truth, ‘they’ taught her how to reply to these common answers of those who are reluctant to join. I know this because she is repeating the same things the first friend (see first paragraph) and I had in our conversation about LB. It’s like a well-thought out script and if it works, good for them. I’m just wondering how long can a repeated script work before the ‘audience’ gets bored of it. And in truth, the type of people targeted with this scheme (there’s no other word I can think of) are those who have been working for quite a long time without any goals in their life or those who had just entered working life and didn’t know better.
Oh, and she ended her dead-end quest of asking me to join, by telling me to not tell any family members that she is into this. Tsk, tsk. You have to forgive me for not thinking highly of network marketers and the way they teach their members how to “do business”.
Like Suanie, I don’t believe in MLMs either. Might as well use the money to start your own business.
Hello, I work for the Security High commision investigation unit. I need information on this Steven Yeam person as i have heard alot of scam is going around in the SYN network. therefore, Please email me your contact number or send an email to me at :
xmist23@gmail.com.
your cooperation is much needed. Thank you.
MLM or Network Marketing is a plan that makes ordinary peoples dream come true…
It just depends on which company u join n how hard u play the games…
As the wisdom of older generation says that: “whenever there is good, bad follows”…
We must thanks the creator of MLM because it gives ordinary people like u and me hope…
I m working in a MLM company which major in wellness industry (not LB) and i know that i could help other people and make their dreams a reality which is why i join in the first place and before that, i also did a thorough 2 week research on the company…
LB is a good company just that when internal restriction are not implemented then all hell break loose…
MLM is to help people not to cheat people if u think carefully why it is created in the first place…
All in all, my advice before any similar venture to any friends or unknown out there is to USE YOUR HEAD TO THINK..
I was once watched an Oprah Winfrey show with Donald Trump as a guest,Oprah asked a question,”since u arent afraid of failling,what u’ll be doing IF u fall down to the zero now?” Simply Donald answered “I’ll do MLM”..the audience starts to boo at him.Suddenly he stands up and said “thats why all of u stand there and i’m standing here”
Follow positive thinker not a bad one.Think big and dream big.If u have the ability to desire it,the UNIVERSE will have the ability to deliver it.
Good luck and dun give up!!
there’s mlm and there’s mlm lor.
a mlm with good, viable products will have nothing to fear.
people not stupid one mah
well i still trust that people are not stupid 
got eye see
ya rite…. their eyes are blind thats what i believe, they dare not take action for those who stand out i say your good intention will not be appreciated. MLM will always be scam no matter how u twist and turn, i will still see it, so call business, do not try to shit me here! Yes I am pissed, because you people who joined are blind, when no one join the MLM or your stupid so call business shit, your a zero shit! ok? got it?
And you guys know what? till now no one talks about how the stupid taxi driver try to scam the passengers, now i expose how they do it, and hope u all will be aware of that.
http://prevalentco.blogspot.com
have a nice day. MLM just go away…turn into so call whatsoever business selling business, i wont buy it, and if you come near to my family, you should be dead ^^
well, its NOT DCHL that scam people, it’s a bunch of people, or so called “team”, under the name SYN a.k.a Steven Yim Network that scams others. by stating Lampe Berger, u indirectly affiliate other innocent or ethic group of mlm team with SYN.
SYN was a shame of LB or even worse, whole MLM industry. i’m not against your, just that it seems like you haven’t know whats the relationship between SYN, and DCHL/LB.
it was SYN that promise u a beemer. it was SYN that educate you dont have to sell goods. it is SYN that tells you pay for a count and find 5 people only. but SYN never tells you u have to maintain quota. it is SYN that promise you 5 figure income.
again, its SYN that exploit the system build by DCHL/LB. DCHL/LB is the distributor, while SYN is the selling channel, how SYN sells it is SYN’s business, DCHL only provide the goods. how SYN wants to educate the downlines is not entirely DCHL business.
if u research more in SYN, you’ll know more dirty secret what SYN had done to hong kong MLM industry.
hope this clear things up, but the damage has been done, and hope u really understand what i’m trying to say, and i can’t do much clearer then that.
Business for Lampe Berger (malaysia), is kind of slow these days. But still there’s people joininig, which means they are not out of business yet. In fact, they are celebrating their 5th bloody anniversary.
It’s bloody because, their money is the result of family conflicts, friends breaking up, and higher personal debt to fund a dream of lies.
What’s funny is they treat this as a business, which is not really. It’s a system, and this system won’t last. There’s only a finite number of people in Malaysia, which are divided into 2 groups. One, who doesn’t buy the idea, and another is the one who buys it.
But even from the group who buys the idea that DCHL Lampe Berger can make them lots of money, there’s still those who can’t afford it.
It’s no wonder why they play with physchology and emotional high, to make you feel better once you become a member. So high is the attachment of member to his goals, that he’s willing to do anything to grab the higher ranking. He’s willing to borrow money, either it’s banks or friends, parents, with the hope, it all ends well. But at the end of the road, who do you blame when you can’t make the million dollar dream? Yourself.
It’s all part of the package of selling you…a dream of lies.
This is the case of mine : i join LB last year SEPT.. it was a BIG MISTAKE i ever did as i was being frequently pyscho by my upline who is Mr.J and Miss.C . they keep pushing me until one day i cannot tahan and i agreed to join LB. the problem is i told them i had no money, imaging : RM2345 from a college student ( where can they get this huge amount of money, other than borrow from friends or family?) in the end, they ask me to join 1st and they SO CALLED dont mind PAY BACK to them later when i start to earn back.
Sincerely, after i joined.. calls keep coming in, asking me to do this and that, follow up and down, and what so called COME OUT and MEET OUR top earners and know more friends……. i really sick of it as i couldnt cope with my studies since ever after i join LB. my housemate even ask everytime before i go out :” go sell BOMB again ar? ” SELL BOMB (i agreed after i regretted for not listening my friends and family advice)
One day after 1 year i keep avoiding my upline cause i really feel very FAN of them… they purposely drove far down to my house and give me a call .
conversation between us :
Mr.J says:” Jxxxx here, i already infront of ur house, u better pay us the remain money, else we going to meet up your parents ! ”
I says :” not i dont want to pay, but i dont have so much money at the moment ” , ” i already SMS to Miss.C said that i will settle the amount by next month. (THE SMS that i sent was this:” I on meeting now. Talk much also no point, u will say i owe u.really REGRET to join LB.Pls stop callin,thanks.Gv me ur bank account number, wil pay u bck by year end.Thanks for making my life miserable.”)
Miss.C(was just beside Mr.J) says :” tell him dont SIN KA LAN la, i never receive his SMS !!! ”
Mr.J says:” do u want me to tell or meet your parents onot?” (keep repeat)
after a few minutes, i send a SMS telling them to give me their Bank Acc number so that i can bank in the money to them. and a SMS replied by them : ” Maybank xxxx-xxxx-xxxx(Cxxxxx Lx Kxxx). bank in RM2000 by MONDAY, else i will take action! ”
that time i was at outstation. The night when i bck and i check my house letter box. this is the paper i found ………………..not just 1, but 2 paper for each letter box, not just that and also in 2 version of language.. WOW =.= i guess they are really desperate for getting back money in such a AH LONG ways.
One anonymous reader showed us how to refund in full..
HoW? By just getting a letter direct to the Managing Director..
Write your letter similar like this..
Managing Director,
RZ CORPERATION SDN BHD,
Level 1, Menara HLA,
No3, Jalan Kia Peng,
50450 Kuala Lumpur.
REQUEST FOR FULL REFUND OF PRODUCTS.
With reference to the above matter,I requests a full sum of RM2500 be refunded to me. I make this on the basis that
1. The company practices front loading which is illegal as I am made to understand
2. As a consumer I was not given a contract under the Direct Sales Act 1993 therefore I consider the contract void.
Please arrange for your goods to be returned.
Thank You.
CC1
Ketua Pengarah Bahagian Penguatkuasa,
Kementerian Perdagangan Dalam Negeri & Hal Ehwal Penguna,
Aras3 Blok 2G3
Pusat Pentadbiran Kerajaan Perseketuan Precint 2
62623 Putrajaya
Selangor.
CC2
Pengarah Kanan Bahagian Perdagangan Dalam Negeri ( Unit Jualan Langsung)
Aras 4 Blok 2G3
Pusat Pentadbiran Kerajaan Perseketuan
Precint 2
62623 Putrajaya
Selangor.
When you mention a CC to the both ministry, please send it to them, do not
just “cakap kosong” (empty talk) just like the network itself (Steven Yeam Network)
On top of that, I strongly suggest you talk about your un-ethical UPLINE/TEAM.
That would be a very strong basis for you to get a re-fund…
Now, start writting this wonder love letter to the RZ Corporation.
Let them wake up and give all the money back to those whom they cheated with their
promise of dreams and empty talk by the distributors..
The product is expensive. Get other products like 3G phone, ipod Nano, Xbox 360 RM 1500 only. Get a lamp? a lamp? LOL. Why middle class asians needs this?
For me LB is nothing else but a job that allow you to
1.Wear nice nice to work
2.Be a pert of a big group
3.No fixed working hour
4.Big return if you manage to recruit anyone
5.Big investment when startup
6.Simple routine task (yumcha, ABP, class, NDO)
7.Get to know more people
8.Doing own business
Isn’t it nice? No need interview, no need to climb the corporate ladder, no deadline, no pressure, no 9-5 working hour, no working with people you dislike and also think that you can enjoy the passiv income you cant finish spending it off.
Get real!! The above is just empty promises and illusions those cunning LB slave trying to implant into your mind. People with little working experience and lack of business knowledge fall into this easily, can’t blame them due to our fxxk up education system and controlled media.
The things you should know
1.LB products is fxxking marked up and noting so special (includes Estebel and EB men plus the suffering EB Spa) How many percent of Malaysians can spend this kind of money when inflation and taxes is getting higher and higher but income failed to cope up with it?
2.You are not boss, you stop you earn nothing, if you dun push your downline you also earn zero, that’s why you see all those at the TOP still coming down to entertain you guys (while you think they are so kind and caring about downline, damn touching) You are nothing better than a Self Employed.
3. Passive income? Dun make me laugh. More than 90% of the products sales contributed by members, if members no longer earn big profits from the recruitment they will stop using the products and stop paying the maintanance PV. You still think you can get passive income by that time?
4. The name of LB and DCHL is getting bad and spreading fast. Failure stories, conned experience is happening everywhere, HK & Taiwan now Malaysia. Why want to join a company with bad image and jeopardize your own reputation?
5. If you follow the way and practise the skill you learnt from SYN you bound to lost more friends and relatives than getting them to join you.
actually it all depands on the people…
it is writen on the agreement paper whereby if u r informed that you will get rich by recruiting please contact who who who on the LB contract paper…by why does ppl still join thinkin recruiting can make dem rich??
cant they see its dere??like amways floor wash last time…I have other things to use but y is amway now so rich ? it started of with ppl saying its not gud n stuff…but now after 30 years…there are ppl earning 1 mill per month in amway…that is the future I see in LB….they are increasing their product…eventhough slowly but it is increasing…not they have 4 of them now…who knows when will it b like am way…by then for those havent join yet…its getting thougher for u guys…but for those already in…pls play it the ethical way…or else the company will go on the short run
Please see if you find this useful and of any use: I cannot stand them anymore !!(Extracted from Sgforum)
Sometime next month, a Company selling the French fragrance products by the name of Lampe Berger will be holding a grand seminar in Sentosa Island to revive their business in Singapore.(note, this time they change the name to SYN(Steven Yeam Network) to give it a fresh start.
They have successfully revived their business in Malaysia targeting on young students and graduates. Recently a few Malaysian newspapers have published complaints by parents about how their children got brainwashed by them and refused to listen from their parents and some even thought of leaving school to go full time in the business. Today’s(June 18th) Malaysia China Press have a front page headline news about it. Such news will not affect their business but even helped and motivate their distributors who are all young, naive and rebellious to work harder for it.
They are organising more than 1,000 active young Malaysian agents to come to Singapore together next month to revive their Singapore sales by recruiting younsters. If you have any young adults in your family or young friends, caution them ahead. These are some of their tricks used in recruitment:
a) They will never tell the prospects what products they are selling during the 1st or 2nd business preview. The most they mentioned are “branded goods from France” and the name “LV”
b) They will say products are not important but making money and business is the main aim.
c) A fleet of BMWs and sport cars will be driven and parked together to impress the prospects.
d) They will remind their prospects NOT to tell anyone else until they have joined and paid up because outsiders will not understand their business and tend to give negative effects.
e) If anyone tell them they heard negative feedback from outsiders or any ex-members who left, they will say, “who should you learn from ? The successful ones like us or those failure ones ?”
f) When it come to the products, they will only boost of their over 100 years history in France but they will not tell you that in US and Europe, they are sold as fragrance and perfumes only(check the websites) at only 1/3 of the prices here and NOT as essential oils or aromatherapy products claimed by them.
g) They will use a lot of their successfuyl members all well dressed in suits to impress their prospects but they will not tell you that out of every 1 successful, at least another 50 have lost their money and left.
h) They will not tell you the products are simply unpractical and troublesome to use. In fact a check in the websites showed the product is even dangerous. An explosion occured and someone in Taiwan got killed. HK TVB news also made a research and condemned them for cheating but their Company defended by telling their members that HK TVBS already “apologised” to them for the mistake and they forgave them.
i) They will also tell you that some of their fragrance bottles are collectors’ items and can appreciate like antiques in future. In order to make you believe, they even display a few units for bidding and obviously their insiders and top-earners will jack up the price to make it believable.
j) They will tell you that you can get a refund up to 90% if you decide to return the unsold stock but most people managed to get back less than half because MOST items are not returnable. They will not tell you fully all which items are not refundable. Most people got caught and lost money because of this trap.
k) They even have lawyers and well-known people among them to give business talk so people tend to believe them easily and don’t suspect that they have many “hidden” clauses in their contract.
l) Their business plan is designed in a manner to trick you to purchase the stock in someone else’s name(for easier promotion) so that when it comes to return and refund, you will not be able to do it conveniently.
m) They will use their top-earner, a Malaysian by the name of Steven Yeam who is mostly based in HK now to act like a god or cult figure so that more people will adore and follow him blindly.
n) Once you joined, they will have many ways to make you pay more money. Even attending their talk or training, you need to pay. They will not tell you when they invite you. Upon arriving or halfway, they will make you pay.
o) They will make some big donation to some place and make a big publicity out of it to gain support and confidence from the public.
p) They use very high figures and discounts to attract you to buy more stock. Up to as much as 40%. Most people find it diffiult to sell off later.
q) They use lies to motivate their members and prospects. Some examples used are: “They will get listed soon in Malaysia”"They will get the Singapore government to close Orchard Road for their rally and also loan them 20 helicopters to sentosa Island”"They bought some share or joint-venture with Louis Vuitton in France”, etc.
r) They will even deny themselves as MLM or direct-selling. They called themselves as a “new” franchise marketing system, leading many shopowners to get involved 2 or 3 years ago.
They will have a lot of new tricks and tactics to close a deal and those mentioned above are just a few. So do not underestimate them. Please take it seriously and if you have any friends, please e-mail or inform them with this message before they are victimised. Last I heard of, their Singapire office is in Beach Road but they might have changed now.
Please caution everyone and anyone who find this message useful, please help to circulate or link it to other forums.
Thank you for your attention.
Lampe Berger Suck!!!!
Buliding and Maintaining a downline is a difficult task and is a big part of any MLM or Network Marketing business. I uses the following techniques to effectively manage my downline:
1. Ask questions - guide your downline to the answer for their questions by asking the right questions
2. Find each individuals strengths - find the strengths in each member of your downline and help them build their business utilizing there strengths.
3. Lead, dont pressure - lleading is about ,successfully working the business so that your downline members will want to follow you on their own accord. Don’t add pressure.
4. Manage your time - view yourself as a businessperson, and keep each conversation on task.
5. Consistency is the key to success - create a list of simple business building tasks, and your members to keep a log of the tasks completed each day. Teach them that success depends on how many of these tasks they commit to completing on a consistent daily basis.
6. Maintain communication - send team updates or newsletters via email to your downline at least every two weeks. Recognize achievements as much as possible.
7. Know when to move on - you cant make anyone work. You can lead, but if one of your downline wont follow - it might be a better use of your time to find a more self-motivated person.
just can blame the DCHL marketing plan.people used it to earn fast money.not only DCHL,company like herbalife,dxn,cni n more++.those company marketing plan also got problem in the end.people success only 3% to 5% for those who join MLM.
many people become victim of MLM.not just only DCHL.i survey quiet a lot company since from 2000 to 2007.honestly,many MLM company suck.only just know say own product good.its not mean tat their network business stable n can do long.
u people also can go c my website.
http://www.msi-team.com/multiway
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Sorry I couldn’t control myself. Amway has scarred me for life. Every time I read anything about MLM I want to rip out the hearts of everyone who’s approach me to join Amway.
Fortunately I don’t feel the same way about people who want to sell me other kind of MLM schemes; I’d just lure them into my dungeon and torture them instead. But I won’t rip out their hearts.
wow..the rm5000 LV bag…my fren la:)..
recently i also approach by a friend who want me to join them.
yesterday, i just take a tour to their office at kompleks antarabangsa jalan sultan ismail.
a lot of people say that they are trying to brain washed us. but for me, i think they just talking nonsence and bullshiting…!! i jus